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Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal

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91Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:31 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

I guess once you set it where you want to it's done, but if you mess around with the link adjustment the angle can change on you. Just a pain to deal with. Not well thought out.

That's exactly my philosophy. Set it, leave it! It was the same thing
for me with the Axis. I didn't see it as a pain but rather just something
that needed to be done. I appreciate all the adjustments these pedals
offer... But that being said, there's a bottom line and on that line is feel,
control and durability. And I've gotten that with other pedals that doesn't
have nearly as many adjustment.

Though I must inject that the thing to me that's unique and is a big plus
with me with the Boa, is the fact that you can instantly go from a double
pedal to two single pedals simply by taking off the linkage then moving one
of the beaters to the slave pedal which in reality isn't really a slave pedal at
all. No extra springs or tensioning washers to add, it's just ready to go.
And the independent adjustments allows you to get each pedal to feel evenly
be it the double or single setup.

I don't know if Drumnetics makes a double pedal but because of the magnets
and no springs, they'd have the same advantage. They may be lacking in the
adjustment department though being how a linkage would be added to drive
one of the beaters. But I'm sure Mike has enough to worry about already
without any of that.

For me the Boa has been a total positive experience and is the best pedal
I've used to date, ever! Keep in mind however that I said the same thing
about the Axis a number of years ago. Should I be fortunate enough to get
my hands on a Nucleus, I'll probably say it again assuming it's everything you
say it is... And then some time later something else will come along. It just
goes on and on, doesn't it?

92Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:39 pm

Asaph

Asaph

"It just goes on and on, doesn't it?"

Ain't that the truth. Mike, himself, always has ideas for refinement and better operation. We have spent hours talking about this stuff. I have shared some ideas with him based on bio-mimicry.

BTW, you might be interested to know that Yamaha called me today. That was was very quick, and very nice of them. Because of policy restrictions they can only discuss things with patent holders, which is fine. I just contacted them to "Light a fire," the guy said. And I said Yes, exactly. Mike is the guy you need to talk to.

So, there ya go. I would have not written to them were it not for your encouragement, Don. Thanks. We'll see what happens next. SOME company IS going to jump on this. Just a matter of time. They will not be sorry.

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93Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:10 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

I think that was very big of Yamaha.... Let's see what happens.

94Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:37 am

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Hi, guys. It has been too long and
a lot has been happening around
here and too much for this little
post, right now but I am healthy
again and I have something to tell
you about the Drumnetics pedals
and Mike.

I have his latest prototype and
this thing is unbelievable. Now,
there are added magnets in
strategic places basically placing
the beater in between a magnetic
field. That's right. It's pushing
towards the head and away from
it giving you an even more cushiony
feeling and helping to bring the
beater back.

I need his permission to write
more about this and do the
whole review but I can say that
I think this thing is hot-hot.

And it is good to see you guys.

afro

Regards,


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95Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:12 am

Asaph

Asaph

Greetings, Pete. Great to see you. Looking forward to your review.

Just to clarify, what you and I have are modifications, not based on a prototype, but the latest version of the pedal already produced, which Mike is working on the next production run, the 3XF. He's ready to go, just working on some manufacturing options at present.

The pedal looks just about the same, some small changes, but the footboard is really cool looking. Best yet.

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96Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:19 am

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Asaph,

Thanks. That is more accurate.
These are modifications that I
(we) speak of.

Do you have the one, with
the magnets by the beater?

This is definitely the best version
of the concept, in my opinion.

I am using it with the telescoping
Trick Detonator Beater, which
takes care of the beater angle
at impact and the potential hoop
displacement and distancing.

I won't do the review until he
gives me the go-ahead and when
he is through this next stage of
circumstances related to the
manufacturing.

Good to see you.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

97Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:29 am

Asaph

Asaph

Yes, as mentioned previously, magnets on the axle, as well as below.

The new 3XF version places the posts and the footboard in slightly different positions than the Nucleus. I believe you liked your posts back. I like mine forward. The 3XF has a place in between. Some slight changes in the cam set-up, too. New sliding felt beaters, which are really cool, and I use those on my double pedal pedal at the edrum set-up. The double pedal will need some modifications for axle magnets on the primary. They can be placed easily enough on the slave.

I couldn't get used to the feel of the pedal with the longer baseplate, so I went back to the regular one, and kept the posts forward. That just feels best to me. But side by side the 3XF does feel a little smoother than what we came up with for retro-fit on my Nucleus.' It's just a fantastic feel. Like I say, Velvet Rocket to Mars. The pedal, literally, almost plays itself. With just the lower magnets, as beautiful as it is, there was this feeling of slight hold back on each throw, something akin to pulling a lawnmower rope and catching for the clutch. It has to do with the slight bounce off the cam pad working in the whole magnetic field created, apparently. With the axle magnets aiding in both forward and backward motion that tiny hold back feel is totally removed. It's truly a simple and astounding feature in what it adds to the feel of the pedal.

I am so desirous drummers can get their feet on this gig. People at NAMM flipped out. Mike was planning a booth at Nashville, but something else came up. Hopefully he can get together all the manufacturing issues soon.



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98Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:58 am

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

I am so glad to hear your
response to it, Asaph.

The floorboard change was
critical for me. It also gives
the pedal a shifting ability
that might speak to another
set of players (market).

The more recent link gives
it a strength it did not have
and at a length, which I
think is optimum.

The magnets on the axle
help bring/spring that
beater back perfectly. I
was intrigued by the idea
and when I got it in my
hands, I rejoiced.

I like it, as much as you
and am interested to hear
about what is up and
coming for Mike.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

99Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:24 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

Okay, so If I wanted to get one, how
would I go about it at this time, who's
my contact?

100Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:55 pm

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Hey, Don. Miss you, bud.

Basketball

Right now, he is looking into
manufacturing alternatives, like
Asaph said and things have gone
on hold during this time. When he
gets back, we'll know and we'll
let you know.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

101Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:45 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

Sounds like he and Bob Gatzen are in the same boat.
Best to them both. Keep me posted, Pete....

Thanks.

102Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:59 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

Oh, and Pete,

What's your quick view on not just the concept of
the Drumnetics but how well it works? I know you
really like the Trick.... In your opinion, is the Magnet
pedal head and shoulders above the rest in terms of
playability?

103Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:59 pm

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Don,

I really want to be fair to Mike.

When I first found out about the
pedal, a couple of generations
ago: there were issues that I
had with the pedal, including
the link (strength and length),
the hoop-clamp and proprietary
screws requiring Allen and what
I thought was a limited range
of beater action because of
chief reliance on the magnets.

What I was not prepared for
was/is the quality of this person.
He listened very carefully to all
the issues I had but that is not
all. You see, I did not expect
him to take me on these things.

When he gave the pedal the
"shifting option" and then when
he adopted the single and longer
length link option, he showed me
his commitment. He sent me the
modified pedal. It was the world
better. I was so pleased.

Well, you can imagine when he
sent me the most recent mod,
in the magnets up top (axle),
which pull the beater back from
the head. The fact is that I could
not stop playing the pedal. It
felt so perfect and with just the
need of adjustment of beater
angle, after setting the foot-
board back (for me).

To the chase - the pedal has
very little to set and after it is
set, that is it. It stays there.

The Trick is more expensive and
a bit more complicated but still
the hot rod. It has more adjust-
ments but that is not for every
body. I can make it sing but
that might be the drawback. I
have to make it sing. Mike's
pedal just sings.

While I wish the new Drumnetics
pedal used conventional screws,
I am willing to let that go for the
very simple concept that he's made
real in this most recent design.

I have it set, right now and it is
just killer. I love it. I am using
the Trick Detonator Beater, how-
ever, which is still the best on the
market, in my opinion.

I will review it extensively in the
future, with pictures etc.

That is the short of it. Hope it
gives you an idea.

One more thing - I love Mike.

Regards,



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104Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:40 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

Thanks, Pete,

And I don't want to ask you too many questions
about this unit since you will be doing a more
indepth review.... But My main question is out-
side of all the adjustment comparisons between
the different pedals that's out there, how would
you rate it's playability in comparison to say, the
Trick pedal?

When you say that the Trick is still the "hot rod"
do you mean that after all is said and done, after
all the adjustments are made between the two,
that the Trick is still the king of the hill for you?

I ask this because my needs are as I see it much
simpler than yours as I've never had a problem
with the way any pedal I have liked sits on the
drum or it not having enough adjustment features
to meet my needs.

I'm much more concerned with what the pedal
does in actual use. According to Asaph, you can
basically line up everything else well behind the
Drumnetics...

In short, is this the best pedal you've ever
'PLAYED', Adjustments not withstanding?!

Remeber, I fought with you a little with your
high praise reviews on the Boa.... Until I
bought one. To date, it's the best pedal I've
ever used... So your opinion on this magnet
setup means a lot to me.

105Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:24 pm

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Speaking single pedal, only
(as there is no Drumnetics
Double Pedal, at this time:

I think the generation that I
have offers the best action
in the simplest design. It
is very much like the action
of the Trick but even more
consistent, as the magnetic
field is the "cushion of cush-
ions". My doubles, triples
and quads are effortless
but not a given. You still
have to know what you
are doing and that is a
good thing, of course.

The narrow footprint means
your hi-hat pedal can be
very, very close to it.

When I play it, I feel no need
to set up the doubles.

You won't lose your Allens
because they stick to the
magnets on the floor board.

cheers

If I were Yamaha, I would
get this guy on the phone
and keep him from talking
to anyone else.

Someone is going to get lucky.

Oh, I have to mention, again,
that I am using the Detonator
which telescopes in all directions.
I think that is something needed
with any pedal that does not
have a hoop-distancing feature.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

106Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:30 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

Thanks, P.

That's good enough for me.

I'm in the market for 2 singles for my double bass
setup. My plan is to snag a pair of these when I can.

107Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:17 pm

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Don,

You know what was amazing about
Mike was that he offered me a trial
for just the postage! Can you believe
that?! He WANTED me (drummers)
to experience it, with the faith that
they would love it.

He may do that, again, in the future
and that would make it all the easier
for you. I hope he does it, again.

Either way, I will let you know. I
want you to try it, too.

There are some great pedals, out
there. You know how I feel about
most of them. The Trick, The Demon-
Drive and the Boa... I love these
pedals. I still play some of them
and like you, I have a special thing
for the Boas despite the short
foot-board and other issues I have
talked about extensively. In fact, I
hoped that they would take some
of the suggestions I had to heart
in a re-vamp of it, correcting what
the market was pointing out. To
this day - I am still convinced that
it is the most universal cam-design
available. You can make it do just
about anything but I am crazy for
loving it: some people think.

Anyway, there is something very
cool about spring-less. I know you
will appreciate this.

We'll find a way for you.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

108Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:14 am

Asaph

Asaph

I believe you can forget Yamaha.

So be it.

Next?

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109Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:28 am

Asaph

Asaph

Many pedals have gone through modifications over its lifetime. I found the Speed Cobra to be better than its older brothers which I owned.

In the case of Drumnetics, owning the 12th pedal Mike made (which I got off ebay), and having the Nucleus, now the modified Nucleus, and playing the new 3XF I can say Mike does, indeed, listen to players and consumers. Very admirable. But he still has an uncanny ability to take what people suggest and apply his own spin to it.

In Michael Gerber's book, The E Myth, he writes about business and the need for small owners to wear three hats - the Technician, the Manager, and the Entrepreneur. Mike wears the Technician hat very well. The other two have been difficult for him, but circumstances are placing people in his orbit to address that and I believe the time has come for Mike to be able to take all this to the next level.

When you think about taking just an idea and turning it into an actual device, with patents, and carting up your life and investing in this as Mike has ... it is not easy by any stretch. Mike has hung in there when other people would have thrown up their hands and said forget it by now.

His ship will come in. Just a matter of time.

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110Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:32 am

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

You're right, Asaph.

The economy, in addition, has animated
the situation but that is reality.

Yes. His ship will come in; I believe.

The product is just too good.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

111Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:55 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

In Michael Gerber's book, The E Myth, he writes about business and the need for small owners to wear three hats - the Technician, the Manager, and the Entrepreneur. Mike wears the Technician hat very well. The other two have been difficult for him,

That's because he has total control ove the technical aspect
of his product. The other two "hats" requires one to address
and deal with others wearing hats of their own.

This is why it's so difficult to hold a band together. It takes a
village and the villagers don't all agree.

112Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:29 am

Asaph

Asaph

For the most part Mike just isn't "wired" to wear the business hats. I and others have made suggestions for various aspects of business and marketing, etc., and he says, "Why didn't I think of that?" Simply because the manager's hat and entrepreneur's hat aren't his thing.

But, yes, when you have to take ideas and make them work you have to address other people in the process. Making a pedal is just you and the materials. Of course, on the other hand getting the materials is part of that process and that has involved some "interesting" people for Mike in the last six years. It's especially painful when parts aren't manufactured correctly. Puts a sour taste in the mouth for everything, and the manager's and entrepreneur's hats become even more unwelcome.

Mike may be the only drum hardware business out there that offered a trial period for the nominal fee included in the full price if you buy the pedal. But, amazingly, astoundingly enough, Mike tells me Pete and I are the only ones to take him up on that offer. I find that so hard to believe. Just shows how tough it is to be a new player in the neighborhood. He has certainly bent over backwards to get this device before the people.

http://drumsinhisheart.weebly.com

113Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:02 pm

D. Slam

D. Slam

Well, the manager's and entrepreneur's hats are
necessary if he wants to get his product on the market.
Or maybe he can hire someone to cover those ends.

As to the trial offer, this is the first I've heard about it.
All the more reason to get those other hats on straight
I guess.

114Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:15 pm

Admin (Pete)

Admin (Pete)
Admin

Basically, you are talking
about only three variables:

1. The Shifting.
2. The magnets [upper (set) and lower (adjustable)].
3. Beater Arc.

There is nothing else to worry about. In this
regard, it is clearly the simplest alternative.

Regards,

https://bcwtj.forumotion.com

115Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal - Page 5 Empty Re: Drumnetics Magnetic Pedal Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:46 am

Asaph

Asaph

Pete, I'm not certain how your post fits into the flow of the discussion. I feel like I missed a page somewhere but, to clarify, the axle magnets are adjustable, too.

What do you refer to when you state "shifting?"

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