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1 Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:47 am

Always liked Campbell's playing with the great George Duke. You can hear Campbell's influence having subtle overtones of Boomer's intensity....great player in my estimate. Or similar to a John Blackwell approach...

enjoy!

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2 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:23 am

Wow! Thanks, Rac.... I've never heard of him before.

Slick!

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3 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:57 pm

Thank you D...knew you would appreciate this level of performance. Yes...Campbell has got that fuel with all of what's going on with those drum offs, with the exception of professionally organizing all that chop into being a musical asset and respect to groove. That's where I think the issues are with most of those drum-offs (show offs) these days. Again, as we know it's about the music and how the kit is being managed musically. And Mr. Campbell demonstrates those pivotal points in raw, yet skillful technique, over-the-bars coupled with physics and harnesses it to where it all needs to lay.

Glad you enjoyed it as I did!

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4 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:21 pm

In addition to the video is Mr. Campbell's words of wisdom when playing the kit.......musically.

His foundational equation;

listening to the basic melody
the music will always dictate what's to be played
establishing the groove.
play with the heart, not just for technique sake

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5 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:28 pm

Sweet!

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6 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:35 pm

Rac,

As to the drum offs, I have to say that the playing approach is
mostly the fault of the organizers. There is no musical criteria.

They sit these players down behind a set of drums and say: "OK,
you got 3 minutes, go for it!" And that's basically the gist of it.
I used to judge them every year but I got tired of the element of
competition that are injected into these events. I just don't think
music should be competitive... I do however understand when
auditions are necessary as the band looking for a new member wants
the best fit possible... But these drum offs are a joke really. And then
again, there's no real standard of musical criteria set to any degree....

As a matter of fact, if you get a player to come in and base his or her
presentation of a cohesive groove, that person is going to score very
low with the judges. Also much of it is audience response. But these
events say nothing as to how well these players would do in a real time,
collective situation... They still call me to this day to come down and
judge and I always tell them no thank you.

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7 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:14 am

"They still call me to this day to come down and
judge and I always tell them no thank you."

D
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That's wonderful that they would consider you a judge...what an honor and more importantly a fantastic opportunity to bring enlightenment to this whole concept of drum-offs.  I realize it would be threading against the grain but it would be a heroic attempt of who and what you stand for as a professional musician.
Rac

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"And then
again, there's no real standard of musical criteria set to any degree...."

D
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Would you think you could actually raise the bar in bringing logic as to why a drummer should be musical and yet still be competitive in that sense of the word, competition? In other words, the real challenge is incorporating chop within the confines of musical context. That alone can be very difficult and would probably demonstrate a drummer's ability to champion two worlds; drumming their brains out and making it contextually and fitting musically. There should always be a Simon sitting there in the judges seat.
Just a thought here...and someone like Campbel would make a great team towards making that kind of difference in the objectives and just may well be a show of the future.
Rac

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8 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:57 am

Rac,

What I failed to mention is I actually made some
suggestions to G.C. in this regard. I suggested
having multiple music minus one tracks of different
styles for the contestants to choose from. It
would be nice if everyone could play from the same
track but I understand that there are just too many
musical diversities for that.

I suggested picking some tracks from some of the more
mainstream genres of music like rock, classic rock, r&b,
funk, jazz, blues or any combination of styles (fusion).

Put something together that makes these contestants
play. I got so tired of watching players cover their face
with towels and toss sticks in the air and catch them
blindfolded... I mean, really?!

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9 Re: Gorden Campbell; Intense Looping... on Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:05 am

Sounds great D... ways of broadening the whole drum-off philosophy and add more challenge - the kind of challenges that would bring them into the real world. I too am not impressed at all with the theatrics unless it was intentional for being funny or being an added feature that would enhance ones drumming. I think a great example of that would be Sonny Payne's video that Daveonskins posted. I remember posting that sometime ago.

Payne's flipping of sticks was not flawless but natural, yet fitted well within the context of his incredible solo. It's interesting how Payne's performance, with the play on sticks, did not give the impression of being a show-off but added that human touch to his solo and brought refreshing entertainment to his performance (connecting to his audience)...the kind that anybody would appreciate. You don't see that as much, or at all these days. Smile

Just me,
Rac

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