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1 Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:38 am

J.K. Simmons, (Vern Schillinger from HBO's OZ) stars as the abusive villian in this Drummers nightmare movie
with Miles Teller as a promising young drummer enrolled at a cutthroat music conservatory where his dreams of greatness
are mentored by an instructor who will stop at nothing to realize a student's potential.

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2 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:27 pm

Lord forgive me....  But I'd have to beat that teacher's ass!

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3 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:54 pm


lol!

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4 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:20 pm

Drumman, I watched Whiplash last night. Very enjoyable movie.
Good music, cool drumming also. J.K. Simmons and Miles Teller were
brilliant. Thanks for turning me on to this.

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5 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:42 am

drumman wrote:J.K. Simmons, (Vern Schillinger from HBO's OZ) stars as the abusive villian in this Drummers nightmare movie
with Miles Teller as a promising young drummer enrolled at a cutthroat music conservatory where his dreams of greatness
are mentored by an instructor who will stop at nothing to realize a student's potential.




Love the Clip
its like the Old Days teacher


with a Drummer


Rock On



Its on USA BluRay as well

I assume it will be on our UK
SkyAtlanticHD some time soon



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6 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:38 am

Whiplash was just debated on UK Radio5 Movie Review Friday UK time afternoon
now Worldwide under BBC Inc


It was given Top marks

He spoke about Young Charlie Parker had a cymbal thrown at him
to remind him to play right.
Saying do you Play better while scarred?



Also this new Movie and BluRay
is up for a Oscar
and I hope it wins.


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7 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:09 pm




JK just won a Bafta
in the Royal Opera House
covent garden , London


He was very happy with it


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8 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:33 am

I was in Kenya, Africa about the time it was showing in theaters here in Hawaii. Now I'm waiting to purchase it at Best Buy. I'm with D on my first reaction (viewing the trailer) regarding the professor. But when you see in perspective, it was a brilliant piece that highlights a very emotional element that makes for great film making...in my estimate. Twisted Evil yet....Surprised

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9 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:50 am

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10 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:10 pm

spoiler alert

I found the film quite unrealistic on quite a few levels. When I saw it I wrongly assumed it was about drums and drumming and music. It really isn't. It is basically a movie about a couple of pathetic human beings and the character study the director tries to pull off. The drummer supposedly has Buddy as a hero yet brings himself to blood trying to play blast beats? Seriously? The car crash scene and subsequent scenes are just ridiculous. Total Hollywood.

JK makes a great lunatic. The problem is, in today's PC world such a lunatic would find himself with law suits up to his neck. People would not cry. Today's kids would say F you and walk out. Then file a lawsuit. Or the parents would.

And the gig with the horn player being someone the teacher admires when he is responsible for the suicide? Good grief.

The ending made zero sense. I know what was meant but, c'mon. He set the kid up. Did not and could not truly know if the kid would show up, and apparently had no one to fill the chair. The kid does the unthinkable and takes control of a important public performance? And after the lunatic threatens him he ends up nodding in approval? They needed to find a Tony Williams for that part because the drumming was not a big deal, all things considered. But, again, Hollywood character study is what it was. It isn't about drums or drumming or jazz.

The girlfriend was the only real believable person for me.

It keeps winning awards and JK will be able to ask for the moon with Farmer's Insurance, if he keeps doing commercials for them.

For me ... I just found it so unrealistic. It held my attention. I guess I was waiting for something that never developed and felt burned by the end.

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11 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:24 pm

Me, I saw the teacher basically playing the role
of Buddy Rich.  Very passionate and very abusive.
A perfectionist to a fault. The guys in the BR band
endured his abuse, so for me the movie was very
believable in that regard.

I can surely see some hungry youngsters allowing
this to happen themselves for the sake of being at
the top with the top.  this sort of thing happens
in college football all the the time.  Kids die of
heatstroke because they allow these abusive
coaches to push them far beyond reasonable
limits.  Remember basketball coach Bob Knight?
He was a crazy jackass but players put up with
his mental, emotional and physically abusive antics.  

In truth, I'd've knocked his ass out (Lord forgive me
again) and that's just the reality of it.  But there are
those who put up with that crap so I think in that
regard the movie was very believable, car crash
included...  I enjoyed the movie as well as the musical
performances by the way.

I'm with Rac on this one as I had the same basic
sentiments by the movie's end.

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12 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:24 am

It has been my understanding, and observation of the infamous bus tape, that Buddy got abusive when people did not put out 100%. When they screwed up and did not care, when it was his name on the marquee.

The lunatic instructor is demonically abusive on purpose, supposedly to find/make the next great musician. His name meant nothing, really, not even the school's name and reputation, though the teacher brings it up. I'd like to see Buddy go "1,2" and expect anybody at the highest professional level know what the count is. That whole scene was just void of reality.

99% of people go into shock, at least temporarily, in a car crash of such magnitude. This kid is out and running to go play, and when he gets there, covered in blood, the reaction is just ridiculous. WHO would continue a performance in such a situation? Hollywood.

I don't know how abusive sports coaches are. I never had one like that. If Bob Knight was a lunatic like that I doubt his career would have been what it was. That is criminal abuse, literally. If Knight was regarded by his players with esteem because despite his antics he brought out the best in them ... not one musician do I recall, any dialogue at all, saying one halfway decent thing about JK's character. Who would? Did I miss it? It was all fear. Total lunatic. Demonic. Insane. You cannot play great music in fear like that. Sports? Contact sports? Sure. Get angry. Not great music. Unless it is Punk rock. Plus, like everybody has noted, the Papa Jo story is very wrong, giving a wrong impression, and sets up the guy's lunacy as legitimate.

Anyway. It's just a movie. Hey, I had my share of blister's and blood when I was young, but the whole "Kung Fu" attitude (if you are old enough to remember the tv program) is so way over the top it is laughable. You cannot play drums with layers of skin messed up like that. Icing would not help. You have to be able to use fingers in jazz, not numb them. Hollywood.

I loved all the water on the cymbal at the end. The kid obviously perspires like Niagara Falls and it drips horizontally.

The charts were good. But, given the lack of them, like I said, I thought the movie was about drums and music. Not really. It will hold your attention because of the shock factor. That is what held me, I suppose.

Seeing JK in that role is what flips people out. The insurance guy all buffed out, and Hitleresque. May as well be watching the guy who played Mr. Whipple, the Charmine toilet paper guy,  in such a role.

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13 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:10 pm

LOL!  It's Hollywood, man of course there's going to
be some over the top, unrealistic stuff.  I choose not
to take it as literal as you but to each his own.

And lets just say that this kid was among the 1% that
DIDN'T go into shock after the car accident...  Fair enough?

And you don't have to be a big name to be obsessive about
wanting things right.  This teacher was a nobody, so what?!
does that mean his passion should not run as deep because
of it?  His concept was about pushing artists past themselves.
No, I didn't agree with his methods but I can certainly
understand the idea behind them.

I don't care what the reasons were, Buddy was verbally abusive.
You don't go around calling people MF's and C**k suckers because
they're not playing up to your standards.  Hand them their pinks and
send them on their way.

Bob Knight was VERY abusive with his players.  Both verbally and
physically.  What, you think I'm making this stuff up?  He's been
in hot water many times but they kept him around and put with
his antics because he got results.  It's called looking the other
way...  They finally let him go after things got so far out of hand.

But getting back to the movie..  It's Hollywood and I take the
exaggeration liberties with a grain of salt.  I for one enjoyed it.

I was trying to find the clip where Bob Knight head butts one
of his players.  but can't seem to find it.  Here's one where he
grabs one of his players by the throat.  Dude was crazy!

And you're right the movie wasn't really about music and drums
but personally I never felt led down the road that it was supposed
to be. For me the message was about being pushed far past the
limits of one's comfort zone of mediocrity. Music and drums just
happened to be the adjunct subject matter used for that basis.


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14 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:41 pm

Yeah, it could have been about trumpet or horns or anything as the secondary subject matter.

I'm not justifying Buddy's abuse. Far from it. But, we all know Buddy had a sweet side and helped a lot of people during his career. He encouraged many, many young drummers with stories to tell today. JKs character never offers a single encouraging word. I understood the intent. It's obvious. It just isn't reality. Like you say, they finally got rid of Knight. The kid speaks up in the film and the teacher is out. That is reality in today's world. Then he plans revenge! Good grief. But, like I say, the movie wasn't about drums and drumming and music in an authentic way, which I thought it was when I first saw it. So, I was disappointed.

It's interesting the thread is entitled a horror film and it really was. A mind bender with the humor underneath of the shock level. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Simmons gets an Oscar tonight.

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15 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:57 am

I watched in a cinema with 4K vision  and New Atos Dolby sound
that helped make it feel more close.

I am glad JK Simmons won a Oscar last night and  Bafta
as he worked hard on that low budget film
as the Extreme Teacher.


I agree with Rac and Don
about the the amazing ending
if only life was like that.




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16 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:15 am

I was thinking about something. I have been calling Simmon's character a teacher but, his actual position is a band director. He does not teach or instruct anywhere in the film, he just abuses and intimidates to direct the band, and this abuse and intimidation is the factor in the band winning all their awards.

I'm just wondering if anyone here would respond positively to such abuse and intimidation.

No I'd rather be a brick layer.

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17 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:37 pm

Asaph wrote:I was thinking about something. I have been calling Simmon's character a teacher but, his actual position is a band director. He does not teach or instruct anywhere in the film, he just abuses and intimidates to direct the band, and this abuse and intimidation is the factor in the band winning all their awards.

I'm just wondering if anyone here would respond positively to such abuse and intimidation.

No  I'd rather be a brick layer.  



I would and did.
If Someone is a Top Band leader
I would bleed for them,
because your at the top of the levels.
Of Course only why you are very young


Also
If I failed to get the correct  Tempo
I would walk away
and leave a written note
saying I tried my hardest
but I could not reach your level.
Then I would meet another band leader - Less Extreme.
As there are so many others trying to get to his level.


I can understand what was going on
and its rare to have a Band Leader
that Extreme.

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18 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:14 pm

I can understand what was going on
and its rare to have a Band Leader
that Extreme.

Yes, and that says it in a nutshell for me, Colin.

I could understand the concept behind the story
without taking whatever flaws and/or artistic licensing
so literal.

If anything, I think JK deserved an Oscar just for the
fact I never thought I'd see the guy that played
J. Jonah Jameson, publisher of the Bugle in Spider man
and the Farmers insurance spokesman in such a role. LOL!

Like it or not, he played it well.

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19 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:11 pm

Oh, man, Colin, you have played for directors that threw chairs and stuff around, and screamed in people's faces just to attempt to bring the best out of them? Yikes. More power to you. I think. Shocked

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20 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:40 pm

This is interesting actually in that I used to work for a verbally abusive artist.
I did this from 2005 to about 2011.  Very abusive!  Cuss you out, flip you off on stage,
Yell and scream, the whole schmeal.  But here's the thing, In working with her, you can
count the States in this country on one hand that I haven't been to including 4 islands
in Hawaii and Canada twice.  Not to mention the killers venues and shows we played..

30,000 fans screaming so loud that your band mates can't hear you count the tunes off
People waiting in lines to get your autograph, asking me for drumsticks and wanting to
take pictures with you, good money...  Heavy stuff and experiences that I would not trade.
for anything.

But you know what?  With experience comes knowledge and hopefully wisdom.  And I can
honestly say that I am wise enough to never allow myself to be in that situation again.
The time came when I said enough is enough.  I burned rubber out of dodge and never
looked back.  But the thing was such that I really wanted that experience under my belt
and I'm glad I got it as I am the better for it on both ends in that I've been, seen and
played places that I probably never would have had I not put up with this.  I also learned
and gained the strength of how NOT to ever put up with this kind of crap from anybody
again.  But there are times when we must go THROUGH to get TO.  Such is the lesson of
"live and learn."

I would say that after all this kid was put through even with the good that came out of it in
regards to him, for him to allow an experience like this to happen to him again would just be
plain stupid on his part.

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21 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:39 pm

With all due respects, Simmons must not have met his match....They should've had Buddy be the drummer guy LOL!!!!!  affraid  affraid  cheers

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22 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:32 pm

Gotta love, Buddy..... I think!

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23 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:26 pm

Don, did the players in the band kind of share their frustrations or did everybody just retreat into their spaces and sigh and suck up and keep going?

In the film it just seems the director had a negative influence on the older players, too, and everybody in the room, despite the caliber of the playing, just existed either in fear or an attitude of demeaning others like the director.

I get the feeling it was that way in watching Buddy's band, as far as fear and loathing. So many of the videos I have seen make it look like the horn sections are either playing for dear life or look kind of ... disgusted, or in some cases totally ignoring Buddy and his solos. Sure he played the same stuff night after night. That was his voice, his language. I still wonder, though, when I watch, if some of those guys were at their limit and end of their rope and about ready to walk. That would just make the music a job, which would just keep the revolving door going of Buddy chewing out the band for not playing at the level he wanted.

The first time I heard the bus tapes I wasn't too surprised because of things I heard about Buddy's explosive character and personality. On the other hand, how did he maintain a band all those years with all these young players? Because he was also a very sweet guy at times, helping out band members through personally tough times and such. He was the best and they wanted to play with the best. But to berate young guys like that. Did it make them excel? Apparently not. The older he got the worse he got.

I wonder what Steve Marcus and the older guys thought of those explosions.

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24 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:45 pm

With all due respects. I appreciated Buddy as a performing professional and what he has contributed to the kit but not much as to human relations. As young musicians coming out of music conservatory, they gave their best not necessarily for Rich but for themselves. The caution sign that was known by anyone who performed with him was; You got the gig but 'don't ever cross me.' That's the impression that was set at the get go. Now I don't really know the whole truth as to behind the scenes and Rich may have had reasons for being set off. It was how he handle his emotions I find it difficult to accept. Anyway, I see how the players were all in the same seat as our acting drummer in the movie. And yes, I'm sure he did help some but it would cost them something in the end....their dignity.

My opinion here.
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25 Re: Whiplash (Drummer Horror Film) on Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:27 pm

Buddy beat the crap outta Frank Sinatra to defend a musicians honor. Maybe he was a bit of a punk but he was a bad dude. Yeah maybe he gotta a little off in his old age but he also had a brain tumor the size of a golfball. All I've heard was that he had a heart of gold and a few bad moments. He was human. Superhuman drummer
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