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Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian

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1 Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:45 pm

Been trying to teach myself Latin and Brazilian technique; very challenging and I've barely scratched the surface. There are so many choices to apply to the kit. One decision is which limb to use for the clave. Dafnis likes to use his RH while others use left foot wood block for Latin. But for Brazilian, it may be more about LH cross stick clave. Still trying to figure that out. There are similarities and major differences I'm trying to discern between Latin and Brazilian such as where spaces fall in the 2-3 or 3-2 claves. In Brazilian it seems there's space in the 2 while in Latin it falls in the 3. I'm probably wrong about this, it's a work in progress, so please feel free to straighten me out.

Dafnis' focus seems to be about Rhumba. In this video he runs through exercises in his new book (not sure it's out yet) where he combines Stick Control with different claves, apparently something he's developed since childhood.


Here are a few more cool lessons by Dafnis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1xvIu7Vm8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytvxsGODhMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2xULqHWgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHH2SfEcL14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT9_uYQ2-lI

Love this Max Roach Latin 6/8, Garvey's Ghost:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iXCNeaeRdg

And this Dizzy Gillespie samba with Rudy Collins, Chega de Saudade:
http://youtu.be/euyjzhLF-gg?t=21m7s

Just discovered this to help with bass drum placement in Latin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdLARbPL3nA

Short, sweet demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMCjo1nY6rE

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2 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:27 pm

Skilled player. Looking forward
to seeing him in a musical support
situation having seen the first
video posted.

Woof-woof! clown


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3 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:46 am

Pete, check out his 2008 record, all his own compositions, so organic:
http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Taking+The+Soul+For+A+Walk/7922250

I'm not familiar with his 2012 trio project made in only six hours, all improvised, but this is really fun stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifrobjkrg3c


Here's Antonio Sanchez, currently enjoying Birdman fame, giving a nice overview of options in Latin and Brazilian:



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4 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:08 am

I will check out the
Sanchez, Woof.  Thanks.  
I am very, very familiar
with him and he really is
one of our contemporary
wizards.

Regards,



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5 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:24 pm

This is a lot if great information! Woof is there a local bateria or samba marching unit hear you? That is a good way to learn all the different grooves and caixa rides etc...
Same with the Afro Cuban like Antonio says go to the source and learn some vocabulary and drum conversation underneath it all. And create with those in mind. You know the basic afroclave or bo Dudley pattern, rumba clave with hesitated 3rd note with the added CAScaRA pattern on top, samba clave which starts like afroclave and has the hesitation on the last note. and then 2-3 clave. I really got a lot out of the Antonio vid, will have to take some time to check out all the others.thanks for posting. This is crucial stuff.

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6 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:27 pm

This type of Afro Cuban style of Dafnis, El Negro and others seems extremely modern. yes it is rooted in the old but totally new also.

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7 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:56 pm

That Antonio is truly one
of the incredible players
of our day.  

Loved what he said about
the language for improvis-
ation.  It is so true. It is
good to hear the reminder,
no matter how many times.

When I need it, I listen to
the great Joe Pass. He puts
it all into perspective for me.

Do you notice his right-hand
technique for the ride?  I
think there is a lot to learn
from him agreeing with our
Kenny, who has a heart
for ethnic sound.

I think he is a fine educator,
too.  He is very clear verbally
and incredibly controlled
dynamically: behind the kit.  

Again, I think he is one of
the very top players.

Btw, I bought my K-Custom
Dry-Ride because of him.

Regards,


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8 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:00 am

One of my faves in drumming. Sonny never surprises me on how he transcribes any discipline, respectfully, into his style of playing...in this case complete with clave. Great intro in my estimate hea... alien  alien
Check his solo out at 5:10 on the dial. Also enjoyable.

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9 Re: Dafnis Prieto and Rhumba vs. Brazilian on Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:59 am

Well, there is a fine player.
No doubt. His tribute to
Tony during that section:
Rac, is definitely worthy.

Great feel and sushi-chops
to go around.

cyclops

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