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1 Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:48 pm

Just reflecting on one of my faves. Best results using headphones.

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2 Re: Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:06 am

I have a nick name for Omar.... "Flow."
The fluid manner in which he facilitates
himself around the drum set is just so
cool. A real treat to watch as well as
listen to.

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3 Re: Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:08 am

I never saw the Buddy Rich gig as his best performance. I believe he overplayed on the soloists, especially on Milestones. I love that tune. And, he kind of let go of the tradition of big band ensemble playing too much. Doing his thing with Weather Report or others seems far more his fit. But, I know the BR festivals are a kind of experimentation thing for those asked to play. Throwing Neal Peart into that den of lions did not bode well for him, as much respect as he has for Rich and big band. I saw Omar as just trying to pull the music in a direction it didn't want to go, per se. Not saying it wasn't hot. Obviously the guy behind Marcus was into it. Just my take.

That said Omar is always fun to watch.

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4 Re: Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:46 pm

Sheesh, you'd be a great motivational speaker
for pessimists anonymous... Dang it, man does
ANYONE ever get ANYTHING right with you?!

I do agree that Omar embellished a bit much
in some areas but I thought the overall direction
was good. It felt good to me. Had he just laid
back a bit it would have been nearly perfect
I think.

Asaph, lighten up, man. I love you but you're
beginning to sound like a real drag. 90% of
what you've posted lately has been negative.

Is everything alright?! affraid affraid

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5 Re: Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:36 am

Everything is like it always is for me. Some would say alright. Others might say not alright. That's life.

Now, D, I could go back and find posts of yours where someone posted something they liked and you commented on things you felt were not right, including things I posted. You get very detailed in critiquing things.

Elsewhere on this forum I have written totally positive things about Omar. I think he's a wonderful drummer. The BR gig is one I always felt was not one of his best performances for the reasons stated. This is a discussion forum. We discuss ideas about drumming, back and forth.

The entire thread about old and new Fusion has very interesting input from everyone. Not sure how that equates to 90% of everything I'm writing as negative, when at least half of every post was positive about old fusion and even some newer things I've heard which I like. And I finished it off by giving, what I would hope was a thoughtful reason for seeing the differences between the old and new, aside with agreeing to observations you made about the influence of modern technology.

The Pointer thread. All positive.

Plenty of others can be named.

I'm not a negative person. I have no beefs. I love everyone.

Why is it we cannot honestly and openly discuss things here without people getting bent out of shape? That is an underlying tone of this place. Everything is a fist fight away. I left once because of it. I see no reason to stick around anymore. It is systemic here.

Sorry, Rac, for the detour. Forgive me.

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6 Re: Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:02 pm

No problem Asaph, in fact I find it rather interesting seeing varying points of view. Personally, I think Omar's toms could have been better miked sound wise during the band playing. But other than that I think he did a grand job in his own rights. BR sessions were allowing for each individual to express his style in a BR context. And of course it just seems that Buddy is a sound non can match, and that's to be expected - nearly assumed. I think we need to keep in mind that these drummers are of a different genre of musical languages and Buddy was predominant in the big band genre and hasn't shown himself in other styles of music as people like Omar and the rest, Neal Peart to name a few, who were involved in this project. Thanks for sharing.

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7 Re: Reiterating; a Fave...yaahh.. on Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:40 pm

Sure, Asaph,

I hear you, we like what we like and don't what we don't.
I understand that.  All I'm saying is that.  Everything that's
posted lately you seem to find these negative overviews for.
And not just that but your assessments seemed to be based
a bit on snap judgements.

Your criticism of the CCEB for instance was based off one song
from one album.  simply from that one tune you judged the
band to be a certain way that you found unpalatable for you.

I know of the drummers I've critiqued which was over
consistently hearing these players use youtube as a
looky at what I can do chops platform and being called
great players based on that.  It wasn't so much that
what was actually played didn't appeal to me.  

It just seems to me that you have a tendency to throw
the baby out with the bath water.  I would only suggest
that you try taking a more objective listen to a piece as
a whole rather than condemning the entire effort because
it has one or two elements in it you don't like.

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