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1 A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Sun May 22, 2016 9:33 pm

To young upcoming drummers;

I'm not in a position to tell people how and how not to play their drums but I can say this; If you choose to go this way chances are you will jeopardize your seat in a band. Unless it's your band and you're the leader, you may be able to get away with it. But if not, then I can safely say you will kill your opportunity to progress as a drummer and lose any sense that drummers are supposedly musicians too! And that's something to worry about. Lol! Guys and Gals we are NOT running a sprint here but rather accepting the challenge of enhancing the MUSIC. We are either in a drum off or playing music...your choice.

Just my thoughts here. And I'm done.


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2 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Tue May 24, 2016 10:32 pm

Among the most ridiculous drum accompaniments I have ever heard.
His application had virtually NOTHING to do with the music. This is
NOT the standard of cohesive playing. Chops mean nothing if you
don't understand when, where and how to place them. This is just
outright selfish.

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3 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Wed May 25, 2016 7:12 pm

That's okay I thought it was exciting! Maybe he's having fun and not trying out for anybody. There are as many ways to play it and hear it as there are people.
I loved what he did. He knows how to express himself. There was a lot of joy in it. Definitely over the top. Somebody's gotta do it!
We don't need to critique everything to death. Let him be who he is and do what he does. He's awesome! It was ridiculous, ridiculously smokin!

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4 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Wed May 25, 2016 10:34 pm

Kenny, my critique of this clip has nothing to do with "need"
but rather a matter of opinion which I have the right to express.

As a package with everything involved and considered, the
vocals the other instruments, that accompanied this drum
chops onslaught, it was an ugly and intrusive presentation in
my view.

Again, my opinion.  Expressed not through "need" but right and

If you dug it, that's all good...  Your right, your choice.

But you did get part of it right.....  It WAS "ridiculous!"

Wanna quick lesson on how to really throw chops over a straight
2&4 groove?... Check out Greg Clark Jr.

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5 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Thu May 26, 2016 11:17 pm

Thanks D, I like Clark great sound. But would it be appropriate if I recall our good ol Ernie & Burt who's having just as much fun in disregarding context and staying in the pocket.
Wouldn't we say?...LOL!!  Just having fun folks.

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6 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Fri May 27, 2016 1:53 am

Hahahaha!!!!  Hey, Rac, I gotta give Bert and Ernie a pass.  
At least they're not accompanied by any other instruments.

No toes to step on but their own.
Oh, wait a minute, they're hand puppets, they don't have toes!  lol! afro

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7 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Sun May 29, 2016 11:31 pm

The Last of the Real Deal?

I think he had it in the beginning then started to lose it as he went into a frenzy than regather it somewhat towards the ending. I think if he had maintained that groove established at the start he could have better decern as to what to keep and what to leave out thus building an appropriate reference point for a solid foundation. I'll answer your question here - Sadly, 95% of what was being played was, unfortunately, yes...ridiculous.

This young man's performance may well be the end product of drum offs as being the fastest, baddest drummer in the world! And as exciting and amazing these events can be the end results does injustice to a young drummer's perspective, approach and even 'attitude', if I may, to playing the instrument in a musical sense. At this point to play in a musical sense within the context of fellow band members is no longer the objective but rather to play music is unappealing because after all; it's all about me, not the music.

And in a graven sense, this is what they have established in measuring their ability, value, and worth thus creating this athletic-oriented reality as to what defines a great drummer. What I see facade under all that bling, energy and hype are a darkness about it all that has an unconscious negative effect on a generation of upcoming drummers under the new norm.

D, I'll end with this; It's a new generation of drummers on the horizon but my real concern is this; Is this an evolution to the Ernie and Burt ballistic syndrome or what we are witnessing in our day is the last...of the real deal?

I'll button-it-up here.

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8 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:20 am

Well stated, Rac.

The truth is, drumming by it's very nature is primal.
You hit things. And in many minds, you beat things.

In many ways it's a liberating power that's hard for
many to control. It's a primal action that brings out
primal instincts in many. There's a certain fascination
that seems to go with the ability and opportunity to
display physical aggression. I think playing (beating
the hell out of) a set of drums is what does it for
many of these kids. In many cases the backing tracks
are little more than metronomes. for the one behind
the kit to execute such a display.

Youtube fodder... I see it going no further than that.

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9 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:08 am

Yes, Tony is a smasher and I've seen him play out in a more ballistic approach and very good at it I might add. But it never really did anything for me. But what I do like about this clip is his straight groove with a bit of edge to it. However, in my hearing, there is something about his groove that's not like a groove you'd feel from someone like say, Harvey Mason. I'm aware they are two different worlds apart and the 'feel' of Tony, and most like him have this edgy and somewhat brutal projection. Nevertheless, it works for what he's doing and it's here and here to stay....but for how long before it transitions into something else - whatever that may be. My hope is that it may burn itself out and begin to take full circle back to music. I just don't know. It may or may not happen in our lifetime.

Bottom line? It's a new generational norm that they have created in playing the drum kit and like anything that enters the scene as new and exciting is always transient by nature to move in other directions. And that could be for the good or bad depending on one's own discretion. For me, it will more likely be the classic players from the 50s' through 80s' of which I believe had laid the foundation for any time of era not meaning to be clones but at least provide solid musicality to express new and fresh ideas....musically speaking.

Just me.

Thanks for that clip. It adds to the clarity of what this post is saying and where it's all heading to.

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10 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:42 am

The groove was there. I just don't believe hitting the drums
with all your might was a necessary application to get it.

He's a youngster. But that has to take it's toll on the body
over time.

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11 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:47 pm

Yet Tony GETS the gig so that kind of blows racmans point out if the water.

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12 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:12 pm

Getting back to the original drummer this post is about. Do you know anything about him. I didn't hint so. So quick to judge a brothers intentions. I can tell that he is influenced by Rio style samba when he did the caixa pattern then he soloed over a section. It was great. He wasn't there to GET a gig. By the way he can play he's gonna have all the gigs he wants. Now I will critique you guys. You are ignoramuses.

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13 Re: A Killing Performance...Literally!! on Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:54 pm

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