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spanky

Posts: 777 Join date: 2008-07-15 Age: 57 Location: Philadelphia, PA
 | Subject: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:19 pm | |
| Phil Collins is putting the finishing touches on a new Motown covers collection despite suffering severe nerve damage to his hands that has made drumming nearly impossible. “The first time I picked up the drum sticks after my neck surgery, they flew across the room because I couldn’t grip them,” he says. “When I play, I’ve had to tape the sticks to my hand. It’s like wearing a condom. It’s very strange. It really cramps your style.”
The nerve damage has made more than just drumming difficult for the 59-year-old musician. “I can’t let go of the spoon or the knife when I eat,” he tells RS. “I can’t open a car door. I won’t get gruesome with you, but there’s a lot of things I can’t do. I’m left handed. I’m having an operation soon and there’s a good chance of it improving over time.”
Collins’ medical problem makes another Genesis reunion unlikely. “He has to play the drums and play some quite complicated things,” says Genesis keyboardist Tony Banks. “It’s one of the many reasons it won’t happen.” But Collins says he still hopes to one day perform again with the Peter Gabriel-lead lineup of Genesis. “Three years ago I didn’t know I’d be in this position and three years from now it may not be like this," he says. "I think the main thing is Peter’s schedule and the speed he works anyways.” Banks agrees, noting, “I think if it we were to do The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway there’s always multimedia stuff that makes it possible now. It would be opening a huge can of worms, not just musical but getting out and playing it.”
In the new issue of Rolling Stone, on stands in the digital archives this Friday, Phil Collins says he believes that he may have lived past lives — and that he's contemplated suicide. The reclusive singer — who hasn't released an album of new material in nearly ten years — took writer Erik Hedegaard into his surprisingly modest home in Switzerland and explained that most of his time is now spent working on his gigantic collection of artifacts from the Alamo and raising his two young sons from his last marriage. Decades of criticism have taken their toll, and Collins says he has little desire to create more music beyond his new disc of Motown covers, Going Back. "I sometimes think I'm going to write this Phil Collins character out of the story," the singer says. "Phil Collins will just disappear or be murdered in some hotel bedroom, and people will say, 'What happened to Phil?' And the answer will be, 'He got murdered, but, yeah, anyway, let's carry on.' That kind of thing."
In the meantime, the band is overjoyed to be one of the few progressive rock bands inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. (Read our full report from this year’s induction ceremony.) “Whoever is deciding these things, obviously they change,” Collins says. “Now there’s obviously a couple of people there saying ‘Guys we’ve ignored all this other stuff’ which is why you’ve got Abba and the Hollies and us. Very diverse. Jimmy Cliff is somewhere in there. Much more diverse than just rock & roll I think this year. ”
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|  | | D. Slam

Posts: 1962 Join date: 2008-01-05
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:58 am | |
| Listen to your body! It'll take only so much abuse and neglect before fighting back by way of shutting down. Phil hit the drums hard.... REALLY hard! That kind of bashing is only gonna hold out for so long.... Then, you start reading articles like this one. There seems to be some emotional issues going on as well.
How sad... Get better, Phil. |
|  | | spanky

Posts: 777 Join date: 2008-07-15 Age: 57 Location: Philadelphia, PA
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:19 pm | |
| Being forced to quit before his time, must have his head spinning because is a great drummer. I heard him say that he is a drummer first and then a singer. And I just love his playing when he was with Brand X I think that they were a under rated super Fusion group, and they were a Super Group, and Phil's drumming was just top notch. He is very depressed I'll bet. |
|  | | D. Slam

Posts: 1962 Join date: 2008-01-05
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:14 pm | |
| Yeah, I've read where he said that... Funny how he made it big writing, producing and singing. Truth be told, good drummers in the world of pop are a dime a dozen. And Phil did not become the major success he did because of his drumming skills... Funny thing, E.C. Scott would always talk to me about how I can be a great drummer playing with her. I would tell her to name me ONE great and well known blues drummer. That music is for guitar players, singers and maybe harmonica players if they're really good. Those are the ones that excel to the top in that genre. Everyone else are just side players. Same with pop. As good a drummer as Phil was, it was his writing, arranging, producing and singing that catapulted him to the icon status he has today, not his drumming skills. If Phil never picked up a drumstick but still did everything else he's done, he'd still be a mega star. |
|  | | spanky

Posts: 777 Join date: 2008-07-15 Age: 57 Location: Philadelphia, PA
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:56 pm | |
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|  | | tconrad
Posts: 37 Join date: 2010-09-28
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:12 pm | |
| I agree with what is on this post about Phil Collins' amazing talent as a drummer, songwriter, producer, etc. .... I'm amazed that he says he has contemplated suicide. .... I think he has overcome many obstacles. .... I was watching a show on public television--it was Collins playing some of his pop hits with a jazz big band. .... On the show he said he doesn't read music. .... This blew my mind because he writes GREAT songs. .... I mean--isn't it an obstacle for a songwriter who works with professional musicians that charge by the hour (and are worth every penny) to not be able to read music? .... Yet Collins has overcome that to become a world-class talent. .... I think he should be proud of himself for that.
Maybe I should ask you guys since I'm not a professional musician: Isn't it an obstacle for a songwriter to not be able to read music? .... I've heard that Lenny White also doesn't read (don't know if this is true). .... Again I'm amazed because Lenny White is another fantastic songwriter. |
|  | | kenny

Posts: 307 Join date: 2009-02-28 Age: 53 Location: Eugene oregon USA
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:56 pm | |
| At least he's in good company! Django Reinhardt Irving Berlin Wes Montgomery Erroll Garner Buddy Rich Dave Brubeck couldn't read music even while a music student at the College of the Pacific. "Brubeck advanced through the curriculum with mainly raw talent, and could not, in fact, read music when he graduated." Chet Baker Paul McCartney John Lennon Ian Anderson Hendrix Clapton |
|  | | tconrad
Posts: 37 Join date: 2010-09-28
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:33 pm | |
| Irving Berlin?????? .... Wow!! But this is what I'm talking about. .... If you get together with other professional musicians isn't the fastest way to communicate a new song via written music? .... It's not the only way but it seems to me to be the fastest. .... And time is money. |
|  | | D. Slam

Posts: 1962 Join date: 2008-01-05
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:31 pm | |
| | tconrad wrote: | Irving Berlin?????? .... Wow!!
But this is what I'm talking about. .... If you get together with other professional musicians isn't the fastest way to communicate a new song via written music? .... It's not the only way but it seems to me to be the fastest. .... And time is money. |
Hi, tconrad,
The way I see it is those who don't read do not have the understanding that great music cannot be created because of it. And the other side of the coin is those who do read are not going to keep themselves from being a part of something potentially great because of those who don't. Whatever it takes, it obviously gets worked out on both sides, sacrifices bar none. |
|  | | tconrad
Posts: 37 Join date: 2010-09-28
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:30 pm | |
| Oh yes, I'm sure that no matter what the obstacles/challenges are, if a group of people want to make music they will make music. .... I'm just saying that it has been my (very limited) experience that communicating new songs is done fastest via sheet music. .... Wait--What is this????? .... Yanni doesn't read music?.... NO!!!! .... THAT'S A LIE!!!!!!
(About three quarters down from the top of page http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=38263 .) |
|  | | D. Slam

Posts: 1962 Join date: 2008-01-05
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:36 pm | |
| | tconrad wrote: | Oh yes, I'm sure that no matter what the obstacles/challenges are, if a group of people want to make music they will make music. .... I'm just saying that it has been my (very limited) experience that communicating new songs is done fastest via sheet music. .... Wait--What is this????? .... Yanni doesn't read music?.... NO!!!! .... THAT'S A LIE!!!!!!
(About three quarters down from the top of page http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_pf.asp?ID=38263 .) |
I understand, What I'm saying is with some of these artists the proof is in the pudding thus it may very well be worth it for them to spend the extra time with the talent that they believe will get them the sonic (musical) results they're looking for. I bet the many artists that have used Dennis Chambers on their projects, have no regrets about the outcome since he doesn't read music. |
|  | | tconrad
Posts: 37 Join date: 2010-09-28
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:27 am | |
| | D. Slam wrote: | I understand, What I'm saying is with some of these artists the proof is in the pudding thus it may very well be worth it for them to spend the extra time with the talent that they believe will get them the sonic (musical) results they're looking for. I bet the many artists that have used Dennis Chambers on their projects, have no regrets about the outcome since he doesn't read music. |
Hey D---I'm with you all the way on this one.
And back to Phil Collins---I hope things work out for him. .... Looking forward to his new music whenever it comes out. |
|  | | D. Slam

Posts: 1962 Join date: 2008-01-05
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:19 am | |
| Phil is a master artist, T. And I regard him as among the top drummers for sure. His drumming is not so much underrated as much as it's overshadowed by his success as a composer, producer and hit maker. "In the air tonight" will always be my favorite P.C. tune... The contemplation of suicide... How unfulfilled he must've felt even with all of his accomplishments. Really makes you think about what's genuinely important in life, doesn't it?  My hopes and wishes are nothing but the best for Phil Collins. |
|  | | Admin (Pete) Admin

Posts: 751 Join date: 2008-01-04 Location: Evanston, IL USA
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:13 pm | |
| Yes. This is very, very sad. Most real drummers know what a monster player Phil was, back, in the day. For me, he was a really great influence. I will be forever thankful to him for what he did with Genesis and especially Brand X. What Don talked about regarding hitting the drums really hard, I have to chime in on. It is true that we can/do pay a price for this kind of approach and we should think about and be sensitive to what our bodies are telling us. Especially during a live performance, I find myself playing un- usually hard, my hands way up over my head and afterwards, I can feel my arms, near the elbow very, very sore. Of course, I am overdoing it. I know. We have to learn from each other and through both the positive and negative. Get better, Phil and thanks, Don, for the reminder.  Oh, before I forget... the value of our instrument as a therapeutic tool cannot be overstated. I know that I go absolutely crazy, when I do not have to kit to let my frustrations flow through. It must be SOOOO hard for Phil, without it. Regards, _________________ Pete
To the father of us, all - Billy Cobham!
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|  | | D. Slam

Posts: 1962 Join date: 2008-01-05
 | Subject: Re: Phil Collins on Overcoming Nerve Damage, Future of Genesis Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:27 pm | |
| | Quote: | I know that I go absolutely crazy, when I do not have to kit to let my frustrations flow through. |
It amazes me how so different we all are while all having the same basic physical make up. I have never regarded the drums as something therapeutic in regard to releasing any frustrations I may have. As a matter of fact, when I'm frustrated about anything, the drums are among the last things I want to deal with.
I realize that with some people this can inspire some potentially great things. I have always been about dealing with the actual issue at hand. How fascinating the different things that work for us and in some ways makes us better than we ever though we could be. |
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