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Today's young gospel drummers - Poogie's take.

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D. Slam

D. Slam

Hi guys,

Over at the DrumNetwork there has been an ongoing discussion concerning today's young gospel drummers, dealing with how they tend to all play the same and sound alike. Those of you who are somewhat familiar with this will find Poogie Bell's reply very interesting. He offers some insight that I certainly did not consider even though we both were in agreement with the problem plight of today's young gospel players. Check out Poogie's response below to all the discussion that's been going on.

Slam.

Hi, all

I hope everyone is cool.!!......I have left this discussion alone cause I really wanted to see where it was going to go, so here are my 2 cents. lol....... When I was coming up you had to have you're own sound or you didn't work in NY or LA or anywhere else.... well all thats gone now.....there are no clubs really anymore. (no more old guy's to tell you hell no young man play that again and I'll hit you upside you're head!)..... Places were you could learn to be a real working musician and learn how important it is to play the music, not you're ax! (drums) so for me with the gospel guy's i see a lot of great drumming but a lot of bad musician's...... Not in every case but far too many... So yes, times have changed but i"m not really sure if its been for better or worse?......

Please dont think I hate this new wave of drumming cause I don't! I Love drumming, drummer's and drums. They have been my whole life and one of the reason's why I started this Drumnetwork for us all.....But I think gospel drummer's should know A lot of people think you all sound the same.....you all setup your drums the same way, most of you tune your drums the same way, you all you use the same type of cymbal setup's........

So my question is why? ... Why would you want to sound like some one else? Why not find out who you are and what you have to say and sound like that? Guy's like Aron Spears, Chris Dave, Gordan Campbell (just to name a few), are doing a great job sounding like themselves already, they dont need you're help!

One more thing to think about?.. If you all sound the same..(and i'm sorry ya'll, a lot of you do)... Well now you have become an Artist, Manager's or Producer's Dream come true. Why?.... Simple, if you all sound the same, they're going to always pick the the guy who's going to work for the least amount of money. Why? Cause its all the same thing (like Hello). If you can get STP for you're car at Wal-mart It cost's $3.00, and you can get the same STP @ the dollar store for a dollar, where are you going to shop? Feel me?.......

Granted, i've been @ this drum thing for year's now, seen a lot thing's come and go....... I'm on a bunch records, toured all over the world played with some of best musician's and now I lead my own band ...... But I got to tell you it's nice to know when people call me for a gig it's because they know I'll play their music and that their calling me for my sound, not because of the hot trend of the day..... Remember, trends come and go.......but a musician who can find he's own sound will always Have a gig....

Just some things to think about?

Peace

Poogie Bell

Suss

Suss

Hey Neph,

I wouldn't be surprised if passing this along might prove beneficial beyond the norms of any website. Poogie is only repeating what has been recognized well before now.

I'll phone you about this.



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D. Slam

D. Slam

Let's see where it goes, Unc. Smile

Suss

Suss

D. Slam wrote:Let's see where it goes, Unc. Smile

Obee Kay Bee Nephew!

Let's just see... Cool

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Suss

Suss

Poogie makes quite a few statements in more than one paragraph that echoes what being a musician is all about. He also demonstrates leadership traits that many others should catch onto rather than jumping a "band wagon."

My only quirk is that being a "leader" means determining the outcome for others who follow when credibility is established; rather than simply "waiting to see what happens." Just my opinion and experience, with respect to any who have responded on the website where he posted this, or on this website here.

Love ya Neph; et. al~!

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D. Slam

D. Slam

My only quirk is that being a "leader" means determining the outcome for others who follow when credibility is established; rather than simply "waiting to see what happens."

It's called listening....

Here's the way I see it, Uncle. He read the comments, and decided to inject rather than interject.

I think Poogie's comments on the issue speaks volumes. It certainly hit home for me.

Alex Sanguinetti

Alex Sanguinetti

But the original thread, where P. Bell posted this, is at what link?

Thanks!

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D. Slam

D. Slam

Alex,

Go here:

http://thedrumnetwork.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1977322%3ATopic%3A28721&page=10

You will be on page 10 where Poogie Bell's comments are. You can scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on page 1 if you want to start from the begining.

Don.

Alex Sanguinetti

Alex Sanguinetti

Dear D. Slam,

Thanks a lot!

Best regards,

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D. Slam

D. Slam

Dear Alex,

You're welcome a lot!

Best regards.

Wink

Daveonskins

Daveonskins

Poogie's Right on the money with his response-

I think it also applies to a lot of the Pop and Rock kids today as well- There are exceptions of course, but for the most part, there's the same issues.
Plus recording techniques and samples play a much larger role in today's top record producing studios- ''They don't make em like they used to''

Like Poogie said, there's no ''Clubs anymore'' so it's tougher to learn the right way. Same goes for studio work--there's the top 4 or 5 guys and they get all the work..So it's the same sounds you know,,the cranked up compressed DW snare and perfectly produced sounding toms. I couldn't tell you who's on what record anymore......

have a great day all- Nice Post Don-

D.L.

Suss

Suss

Daveonskins wrote:Poogie's Right on the money with his response-

I think it also applies to a lot of the Pop and Rock kids today as well- There are exceptions of course, but for the most part, there's the same issues.
Plus recording techniques and samples play a much larger role in today's top record producing studios- ''They don't make em like they used to''

Like Poogie said, there's no ''Clubs anymore'' so it's tougher to learn the right way. Same goes for studio work--there's the top 4 or 5 guys and they get all the work..So it's the same sounds you know,,the cranked up compressed DW snare and perfectly produced sounding toms. I couldn't tell you who's on what record anymore......

have a great day all- Nice Post Don-

D.L.


Permalink Reply by TerenceHiggins on March 19, 2008 at 3:07pm
Wow This is a very Interesting topic, I'ts obvious to me that every drummer that has posted a comment is very passionate about there opinion based on there experience,beliefs and the situations that they have been exposed to which gives them all validity in some capacity, we are all products of our environment..which in my opinion Keeps it interesting ......................My take on this topic is as follows.........

We are living in the time of the DVD/You tube school of learning, so we are getting all this information at an accelerated pace in or homes on the internet, so young guys are able to check this stuff out, disect it, shed all day long and try to be the next drum star with amazing chops and no real foundation to back it up or support it, nothing against the videos and you tube i indulge all the the time it's a great learnig tool but it's a double edged sword, there is no substitute for paying dues, some cats get all rapped up in the pyro and hype of other drummers they forget about playing musical and tastful, the real reason why those cats get where they are in the buisness.one of the best compliments you can get is that " your a musical drummer"

I remember there was a time when you could hear a tune and and automatically know who the drummer was just from his sound or style, Now-a-days I feel like alot of the cats are starting to sound alike, playing the same licks and overplaying, I mean i like some of it but after a while i get annoyed so i pop in some Meters or some James Brown and i'm on cloud 9 and spiritually moved....ya feel me

I am a big advocate of the pocket and musicality with facilty to get around the kit, I love how things have developed in drumming definitly keeps me on my toes, My advice for the old school is don't close the door on the new school yet embrace the young be open and learn all you can ,even learn what not to do (ha - haaa) have one foot planted in the past, the other in the now, and your eye on the future so that we can continue to get work.... as for the younglings show your respect, I love your drive and fire, but if you don't know where you've been, how can you know where your going

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Terence Higgins
Grease

I finally had the time to check out the thread you posted Neph (over on DrumNetwork), and can see why you (and others) are well into the discussion. In addition to Poogie's comment, I also liked the one by Terence Higgins (inserted above). Obviously, there are more contributors with their opinions and development, but this one (Terence's) particularly stood out for me. Reminiscent of my view on life in general, rather than just with music in mind. Somehow the internet and advancements in technology has made the information age so accessible. That is a good thing for sure!

Great stuff indeed.

P.S. BTW... I checked out Jay Jackson's comment. At 38 years of age, he thinks he's "old school" now. What does that make me, ANCIENT? farao farao lol!

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