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1 An amazing drum solo by Buddy Rich from 1978 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:14 pm

Hi,

Here is a drum solo by Buddy Rich from 1978. He was trying out a brand new set of drums with no band on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Luckily the cameras were on since this turned out to be one of his best solos ever caught on tape. Buddy Rich was 61 years old at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmUbYiFXT_0&feature=related

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Think of how much better it would have been shirtless.

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Yeah, Buddy. Great drummer.
A real inspiration to watch. He
was a good dancer, too.

Traps - The Boy Wonder. Good book.

Mel Torme (the writer) was the
best. He did a great job on that
book. He also played a mean
trap kit - believe it, or not.

This video actually shows a little
of how Buddy applied his left-
hand technique.

He will be missed for the positive
that he brought.



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I'm a very longtime fan of BR and have seen him live a few times and watched countless videos. Every time he was on the Tonight Show was a feast. Chops without equal and I just seem to "get" what he's playing . . . and that's part of the problem I'm having with BR these days.

He did break the mold decades ago, adding dimension to the drum kit as no other player did . . . and his band of the 60s seems to have taken the big band sound to new places, too (he doesn't commonly receive credit for band innovation).

But lately the stuff of his solos is getting monotone to me, probably because I've been craving some new vocabulary in my own playing and BR is just not the place to find it anymore. Crying or Very sad I'm sure that will change as I rediscover Buddy in the future . . .

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woofus wrote:I'm a very longtime fan of BR and have seen him live a few times and watched countless videos. Every time he was on the Tonight Show was a feast. Chops without equal and I just seem to "get" what he's playing . . . and that's part of the problem I'm having with BR these days.

He did break the mold decades ago, adding dimension to the drum kit as no other player did . . . and his band of the 60s seems to have taken the big band sound to new places, too (he doesn't commonly receive credit for band innovation).

But lately the stuff of his solos is getting monotone to me, probably because I've been craving some new vocabulary in my own playing and BR is just not the place to find it anymore. Crying or Very sad I'm sure that will change as I rediscover Buddy in the future . . .

Well, Woof, Buddy was Buddy for sure... Just as Billy back then was Billy. The difference is Billy is still here and in my opinion doing bigger and better things where the drums are concerned. I certainly don't find what Buddy did to be monotone. I am amazed every time I hear him. But it IS the stuff I've heard already many times in the past. But from my chair, when I see and re- see and hear these old clips of him, I'm still floored each and every time. It's surely a level I have not reached. And that only means that what he did behind the kit will likely never become stale to me.

D.

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There are lots of video clips of Buddy Rich on youtube. Here is one more from 1964 where Buddy performs “Two O’Clock Jump” with the Harry James Orchestra. Actually it’s an encore with a drum solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaThs_k-v9k&feature=related

Many interesting dvd’s of Buddy Rich have been released. One such is Buddy Rich – Jazz legend that originally came out on two separate VHS-tapes in the 90’s. This dvd including both the tapes was released some years ago. Quite a comprehensive document (147 min) with interviews and lots of performances from 1939 to 1987. Highly recommended.

http://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Legend-Buddy-Rich/dp/B00006G8K8/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1252003797&sr=8-18

Have to get and read that book that Pete mentioned at some point.

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Anders

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Anders, definitely get Mel Torme's book. It's riveting and would be a very cool film someday . . . and Don, I'm still floored when I see BR, but I think the world has discovered/invented more rhythm since then and it's a whole new ballgame.

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I agree with you to a point, Woof. The last four drummers to change the face of drumming and how we approach it has been Buddy Rich, Tony Williams, Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd. These four artists in my opinion revolutionized the approached to drumming like no one else has since... Sure, there have been new things revealed (If anything is actually new), this has been turned around to that and that is now being played in place of this. But there have been no one that has so precisely altered the the outlook to drumming to the degree that these fore-mentioned four have.

With all the amazing stuff that some players are doing behind the kit today, whenever I hear anyone of these four guys play, it brings me back to the point of realizing that it's because of them that these amazing things are being played by other players, and this includes some of their peers. You can categorize and compare these four men with no one! They each have their own distinct style and sound. And because of that, they can never go stale or sound monotone... At least not from where I sit.

D.

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I agree, no one can be everything. How I feel about BR is more a reflection of myself than him. And I'm tellin' ya, short of chops that dude just might be dated. clown

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woofus wrote:I agree, no one can be everything. How I feel about BR is more a reflection of myself than him. And I'm tellin' ya, short of chops that dude just might be dated. clown

lol! Woof, the guy was a big band drummer, how modern could he sound?! I will say this though..... Buddy Rich had the suckiest, yuckiest, tuning of any drummer I've ever heard. His drums sounded like boxes... Cheap ones!!! Which also may play a large part in how you assess what he did.

Certainly understandable.

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11 Re: An amazing drum solo by Buddy Rich from 1978 on Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:44 pm

Buddy was one of a kind, agreed !

Hey, Woof, if you want to see what the "new" drummers are coming up with you should check out 3 guys who have been mentioned here before :

Thomas Lang, Virgil Donati, and Ron Bruner Jr. or Brian Blade

I think these guys are innovators in this time period. Clips can be found at drummerworld or on YouTube as you know.

Their combination of superior chops, re-configuration of the drum set from the traditional [ like several snares, several hats, and special cymbals and percussion attachments ] , are what these guys are bringing to the evolution of the trap kit.

Peace, TED

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Here is a funny videoclip of the similarities between Buddy Rich and Carl Palmer, whom Buddy liked. On the other clip Carl Plamer is talking about matched grip versus tradiontal grip and playing some fast paradiddles at 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh3qS0Jp88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dODu1ev08M&feature=related

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Anders

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Indeed, Anders.... Who inspired who?!

Great endurance and control here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGAzECdeyh8&feature=related

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Carl is a great player and with
a fantastic pair of hands. He
was a real inspiration for me.

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Hi,

Has anyone seen this new dvd (2009) of Buddy Rich? Should be interested. I just ordered one from Amazon.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Buddy-Rich-Up-Close/dp/B002AC9FUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1252609888&sr=8-1

I also managed to get the Buddy Rich collector’s edition 2-disc set that includes the Lost Tapes and the Channel One Suite for 32 euros including shipping costs from ebay! This specific edtion is now deleted, but the two concerts are still available on two separate dvd releases.

THE BUDDY RICH COLLECTOR'S EDITION
2-Disc Set
Series: DVD
Publisher: Hudson Music
Medium: DVD

Artist: Buddy Rich

This 2-disc set is a compilation of the Emmy Award-winning Channel One Suite DVD and The Lost West Side Story Tapes DVD. Lost for over a decade, and damaged in a fire, the tapes were recovered and have been digitally restored. Preserving a historical moment in jazz history, this edition reunites these two sets exactly as they were recorded in 1985. The performance was among the first ever recorded in Surround Sound, and the original tracks have been reconstructed in Dolby and DTS Surround formats for the DVDs. The end result is a bird's eye view of Buddy and the Buddy Rich Band at the climax of a legendary career. Added to the original shows are bonus tracks, interviews, behind-the-scenes footage, clips of Buddy from the Johnny Carson Show and rare photos from the Rich family archives. New to this package is Steve Smith's commentary on Channel One and a 16-page booklet filled with photos and remembrances. At 67 years old, this performance shows Buddy at his best. This collection is a must have for any Buddy Rich fan. Total Running Time: 3 hours, 32 minutes.




Kind regards,
Anders

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16 Re: An amazing drum solo by Buddy Rich from 1978 on Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:38 am

I asked Billy about 5 years ago, what did he think about Buddy, and he said a genius, and Buddy truly was a genius, he was not a genius when it came to human relations with band members. The old timers here are well aware of the famous cuss outs that Buddy would inflict on his band, I would have punched him in the face, not caring about the black belt martial arts expert that he was. But anyway he still was a genius. The drum set is only about 100 years old, and I think the turning point in them came with Chick Webb, not Buddy, I think that Buddy took the mantel from Chick after he passed. Chick was one of the drummers that Buddy respected highly, and we know that there were not to many drummers that Buddy would praise. Buddy had a left hand trad, that was just pure out of this world, you don't see many like his, except people like Jo Jo Mayer, Louie Bellson, just to name 2. And Buddy could put together solo's like nobody before him, and many after him, he was a genius at coming up with solo's. And also like Dennis Chambers, he did not read music, and still went to the top. Buddy also stopped practicing when he got to a certain point in his career, he did not even keep a drum set in his house, he said it, and his daughter said it too. Buddy was just one of the greatest cats to ever play, and with all of his faults, that he had just like the rest of us, I miss him.

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Here's a cool record from 1966 with Sammy Davis, Jr.:
http://www.jr.com/product/music/pm/_547046/

There's so much to learn about Sammy. And 1966 was an amazing BR band . . .

Here's my newest fav tune as of yesterday, recorded 1956. Not sure, but I think it's Mel Lewis playing perfectly at the kit:
http://www.last.fm/music/Sammy+Davis,+Jr./_/Too+Close+For+Comfort

Ken Burns should consider a film about Sammy Davis, Jr.

Apparently, Sammy was a drummer, too . . . and vibes and trumpet. But he didn't need to play drums when he could join forces with Mel, Buddy and Duffy . . .

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Spanky,

Here's the way I see it. Arguably (obviously), Buddy is probably the worlds greatest drummer, in what I call the "Forest Gump" aspect:

In that he just sort of did it. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of method to Buddy's madness. It was like, oh okay and he just sat down and started burning. Buddy Rich has always struck me as the kind of player that was of the thinking that said: What's the big deal, what do you need to know? Just sit down and do it! I think Buddy is one that would make a horrible clinician because I don't think he could ever grasp what all the fuss was about as far as playing the drums was concerned.

The Story goes when Louis Belson raised some eyebrows with the introduction of the double bass, Buddy performed with a double kit one time only and burned just to say, whats all the buzz? Big deal. Playing the drums was a naturally natural thing for him to do. He didn't do a whole lot of concept sharing or idea building, he just sat down and played what he wanted to play. Seems the only thing that aggravated him in regards to drumming was when somebody else received more attention than he did. Sadly, that and the way he treated his band members will forever share a spot in his magnificent drumming legacy.

D.

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You are right Don, that is just the way Buddy was. Just sit down and play the darn things man, what's the big deal ? I don't even keep a set in the house, what the hell for ? Practice, now what the hell would I do that for, I don't need to, I just sit down and play the things. Now see he could do that, I saw him on Johnny Carson's show one time, and he had just had surgery, and he had not been on the drums in a good while, until that night, and he sat down and smoked, he was a little winded after he finished, but he killed. Yeah and we all know how he felt when Billy removed him from the top one or 2 years. in the voting. But Billy said to us on one of his old boards, that Buddy's disapproval, brought more attention his way, in other words Buddy was great publicity for Billy.

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I'd say the tainted legacy of the Mamas & Papas makes whatever BR did wrong look like a joke . . . no matter how many flowers are in their hair.

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woofus wrote:I'd say the tainted legacy of the Mamas & Papas makes whatever BR did wrong look like a joke . . . no matter how many flowers are in their hair.
Woofus, my brither you are not kidding, that is just plain sick, I mean real sick, and has taken me off his fan list. She woke up with her own dad inside her, that makes me want to throw up. But she also said that Mick Jagger. Here is that article, Thu, Sep 24 01:04 PM

London, Sep 24 (PTI) American actress Mackenzie Philips, daughter of ''The Mamas and Papas'' vocalist John Philips, has revealed that rock legend Mick Jagger seduced her while her dad was making a tuna sandwich for him. The ''California Dreamin'' singer had left the rocker alone with his 18-year-old daughter in Jagger''s apartment while he went out to get some mayonnaise and when he returned, he found the door had been locked and he realised that the ''Rolling Stone'' rocker was having sex with his girl, Contactmusic reported.

"My dad walks out (of the apartment), Mick turns around, locks the door, looks at me and he says, ''I''ve been waiting for this since you were 10 years old.

'' and he seduced me," the 49-year-old actress and singer said.

"My dad comes back and (says), ''That''s my daughter in there, let her out,'' and we just ignored him. "It''s a dubious distinction, having had sex with Mick Jagger," she added.

John Phillips, then tried to break in but failed and simply called the following morning to make sure his daughter was fine. "He says, ''Was he nice to you? Are you OK?'' and I said, ''Mick just brought a tray of tea and toast and strawberries and Marmite.

We''re fine. I''ll talk to you later," the actress said.

Mackenzie, famed for her role as a boy-crazy teenager Julie Cooper Horvath on popular sitcom ''One Day at a Time'', had earlier stirred up controversy when she claimed that she had an incestuous relationship with her late father.

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It sounds like she was as sick as Mick and her dad was.

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D. Slam wrote:It sounds like she was as sick as Mick and her dad was.
The thing is Don she was in a drug stupor when her pop did that, and he would not stop. But the Jagger thing she wanted it, and she was 18. But her dad took advantage of her. And she asked him more than a few times why did he do that to her. And she said he acted like he did nothing wrong.

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24 Re: An amazing drum solo by Buddy Rich from 1978 on Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:41 pm

I'm not so sure that all of that is true. Publicity is sometimes a necessary evil and a lot of time there are lots of distortions of what the truth really is. I don't profess to know what happened in her case. But I do see that Mackenzie has had a need for publicity. The first big revelation came years ago when she confessed to being high on coke during tapings of One day at at Time. So people started going back to try and find the episodes so they could check out her eyes. Scandalous at the time. Drug confessions were in.

I'd heard the jagger story years ago too and read about it in the book about John Phillips "Papa John". Basically he was stoned out and Jagger had sex with her, while he was passed out. Her memoir seems to suggest almost rape with her father's consent. Fact or publicity ??

About the 10 year incestuous relationship, I really don't know. I guess it's possible, though a heroin addict who took as much drugs as John did is concerned about one thing: more heroin. And that was only one of the many many drugs he consumed. If you read his book, he really didn't have much time for anything else, even making music.

Now maybe this happened after he had the transplant, I would have to compare the time frames. In a current interview with John's wives Michelle Phillips and Genevieve Waite , both felt Mackenzie's claims were lies. Why would she say something like that ? Maybe to try and sell her book ??

On a lighter note, I did see the reformed Mamas and Papas with Mackenzie twice when they were touring, and they sounded great. Spanky MacFarland was the other vocalist so they did her hits as well { Sunday will Never Be the Same, Lazy Day, Like to Get to Know You ] and Denny Doherty was the other male vocalist. Mackenzie sang lead on the theme song to One Day at A Time, her "hit".

Britney and Paris and Lindsay and KIm Kardashian all have their sex tapes out there so Mackenzie had to come up with something more shocking than that. Facts or publicity ??? It's all showbiz kiddies !

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