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Jim Chapin on open rolls and other stuff

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1Jim Chapin on open rolls and other stuff Empty Jim Chapin on open rolls and other stuff Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:19 am

spanky

spanky

Jim Chapin on open rolls

Jim Chapin feels like dancing with the Moeller

Jim Chapin on drumset!! (Musikmesse Frankfurt 2006)
Even in old age he still had great hands, and he is playing very relaxed you can learn from that.

Jim chapin playing a pad solo

D. Slam

D. Slam

I touched on this before and I will again... This so called "Moeller Technique".
This rocking of the hands, the push/pull with the wrists and playing the hats
on the upstroke of the hand as well as the down stroke was something that
came naturally for me and I'm sure a lot of other players.

This was WAY before I heard anything about the Moeller technique. It was a
very natural thing to do when playing pulse on the hi hats and especially when
playing those old school funk back beats with 16th notes on the hats. Rest his
soul, but it looks to me like Mr. Moeller saw this and simply put his name on it.

But don't be fooled. This has been going on long with many players LONG before
any of us heard anything about the Moeller Technique. And it was something that
happened naturally and didn't have to be taught.

spanky

spanky

I remember you saying something about this before Don.

D. Slam

D. Slam

spanky wrote:I remember you saying something about this before Don.

Yes, But let me add this, Spanky. I've always thought that Jim Chapin did a wonderful
job at breaking this method down, analyzing it and teaching it to drummers everywhere.
It's just it's a hard sell in trying to convince me that this is something that was developed
by Sanford A. Moeller. If anything he brought it to a conscious level probably.

kenny

kenny

Moeller noticed this movement and shared his observation. He didn't claim to invent the movement. Most scientific finds have the discoverer's name attached and that's what he did so others could benefit from it.

Those are some great excercises Chapin is demonstrating!
I noticed he lets his index finger loose on the stick and holds it with the back fingers. I don't feel so bad now. I had a teacher Mingo Lewis say he wanted to see me grasp the stick with my index finger more. I guess that applies more for the finger control style.

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D. Slam

D. Slam

Yeah, okay, so why put his name on it?.... And as I already said, he at most brought the method to a conscious level.
I personally never had to learn it from anyone.

Fact is, it was called the Moeller Method and it was not HIS method. The belief is he adopted the technique after
observing civil war drummers in the 1800's.

kenny

kenny

civil war technique doesn't sound good. He developed a teaching method around it. As martha stewart might say that's a good thing. he did the work of retrieving it and making it available to people. So he should have his name on it. And it is, so until you develop it some more then you can call it the D. slam technique. Basketball

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D. Slam

D. Slam

The thing is, it may not even have been him that named it.

Hey, I do have this version of traditional grip that I do, where
only the index finger is over the stick. I've never seen anyone
else play that way. Maybe I could call it: The Thomas Trad. Exclamation

kenny

kenny

Does that grip help in some way? why not? I have a friend who uses his left hand in trad position but basically just using his thumb on the stick to whip it down on the head. i find it totally weird. But it works for him and he loves playing fatback rimshots on blues like that. i would not feel safe it's like the stick could go flying any moment. I figure i have several other fingers on the hand MIGHT AS WELL USE EM but whatever . i could see if your hand was getting fatigued slammin the blues in a bar for 4 hours that it could be helpful.

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Ted E. Bear

Ted E. Bear


Great to see those clips Spanky. It brought back a great memory for me of probably the best clinic I ever attended [no disrespect to Boomer and the clinics and master classes of his that I've attended].

Back in the mid 80's I was living in Staten Island, NY and another drummer friend and I drove to somwhere in Jersey to witness a clinic put on by Jim Chapin and Joe Morello.

Jim was still pretty strong back then and was just amazing. Joe was in failing health and I remember being apprehensive when he hobbled to the drum kit , nearly blind and with a cane . My only experiences of him playing had been old tV shows and records with the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Well, as soon as he settled in behind the kit, it was like a miracle transformation - the man kicked all kinds of ass. I remember looking at my friend and we were both speechless !

I wish I had brought a camera but I didn't own one at the time but I did get to shake their hands after the show and thank them for kicking my ass. I'm grateful to have seen them play live.

Peace, TED

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spanky

spanky

Ted Wrote
and thank them for kicking my ass.
[img]Jim Chapin on open rolls and other stuff Pinkpanther5iv[/img]

D. Slam

D. Slam

kenny wrote: Does that grip help in some way? why not? I have a friend who uses his left hand in trad position but basically just using his thumb on the stick to whip it down on the head. i find it totally weird. But it works for him and he loves playing fatback rimshots on blues like that. i would not feel safe it's like the stick could go flying any moment. I figure i have several other fingers on the hand MIGHT AS WELL USE EM but whatever . i could see if your hand was getting fatigued slammin the blues in a bar for 4 hours that it could be helpful.

The grip helps me. When playing trad grip, I don't have to drop my
shoulder as much to get the stick leverage I need. It's a bit easier
for the stick to fly out of your hand but like anything else, you adapt.

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