Wonderful Drum Solo

Asaph wrote:

I watched a vid on youtube of Tony last night. He mentioned drummers like Dawson, who play with great technical ability; drummers like Art who play with great passion, and drummers like Max who played with great creativity. Aside from Art's mighty buzz rolls I have never seen Art called a great technician. But Art was certainly great at what he did.

Blakey like miles was great at bringing the right players together and making great collaborative music. He had natural ability combined with a personality that shined like the sun behind the kit. I have a classically trained trumpet player friend who hates to listen to Miles Davis, thinks his tone is crap!
So i guess the lesson there is music makes room for everyone.
I feel like calling a musician a technician is a little weird like a put down 'great technician" (can't play with others though). other people only go by that. Like" how did you like the salad?", "it was interesting." not a great compliment. Anyway i think this kid can play some drums! I watched a video of one of these guysthe other day he started a difficult poly rhythmic idea. Problem was it sounded like it. It wasn't really interesting to listen to or flow with any musicality it was a stock rudimental jazz thing that didn't make sense out of context. Whoa i gotta take off to seattle, later broskis

my ride is late o h well traffic jams await
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I really like the points you bring out here, Kenny.

John Bonham was not one that I'd consider a "technical"

player but what he did with Led Zepplin was the

rhythmic staple for that band and even a standard

in the general approach to drumming to this day.

J.B. was one of the great ones.

I have no idea what's up with the spaces...??! I can't stop them.

Did someone mention my
hero: Willie Mays??"









He inspired me in my youth
and to this day, when I watch
the film, I still cry at his breath-
less skill and natural ability.

In my opinion, without a doubt,
he is the best all-around player
there EVER was!

Thanks for the reminder, D!!

Regards,

I remeber sitting right behind Mr. Mays
out in centerfield when I'd go with my
parents to watch the Giants play at
Candlestick in San Francisco. I don't
know why I remember this but a fly
ball was hit to him for the third out.
He took a couple of steps forward,
cupped his left hand under his
glove, made the catch underhand
and ran into the dug out! The catch
wasn't among his greatest, nor was it
highlight material, but it was poetry
in motion.

One that only Mr. "Say Hey" himself
could have made it look the way he did.

The greatest all around baseball player
in the history of the game as I see it.

I'm wit cha, Papa P.



Statue of Mr. Mays in Willie Mays Plaza outside AT&T Park in San Francisco.

Quick story. My parents owned a restaurant. I'd go with my father when he went to buy produce and he'd buy me a box of baseball cards. That particular year I had a full roster of players, plus plenty of doubles, triples, etc.

Jump fifteen years. I sell all my cards at a flea market for $10. I wondered why the guy who bought them looked like he was about to pass out as he walked away. What did I know at the time.

Come to find out I happened to have eight, 8, Willie Mays cards worth about $100 each. Plus others, like Yaz' rookie year, Stan Musial, a bunch of them worth a whole lot more than I realized.

The guy was probably about to jump out of his skin to get those cards for ten bucks.

His signature "basket catch"...
Boy, did my coach hate it, when
I did it (too risky) but yes, it WAS
poetry, Don - like you say. It was
effortless. Such a natural.

What memories! I went to see
him at Shea Stadium in Corona.
The number 24... the greatest
baseball player that ever lived...

Man. What an inspiration!



Regards,

Pete, since we're on the subject.
My all time favorite pitcher was
Juan Marichal. Even though he
pretty much stood in the shadow
of Sandy Koufax, I thought it was
so cool how high Juan would kick
that leg in the air. He and Sandy
both threw bullets!

He Sure took it on the chin for
going upside Johnny Roseboro's
head with that baseball bat.
from that day on whenever he
came up to bat in Dodger Stadium,
he was booed. But his pitching
motion was a true act of grace and
so much fun to watch.

I am not sure you knew but
my folks are from the Dominican
Republic (where Juan is from)
and was a hero to us but yes,
you are right about that incident
in that it changed how everyone
looked at him. He lost it.

Great pitcher, though.



Regards,

No I didn't know where your family were

from exactly, Pete but I did know that you

were of latin descent. Yes, according to

Marichal, Roseboro kept whizzing the ball

next to Juan's ear when throwing it back

to the pitcher.

On August 22, 1965, in a game played against the Giants' arch-rival, the Los Angeles Dodgers.^[14] Twice in the first three innings, Marichal had thrown near the head of Dodger leadoff batter Maury Wills. As Marichal was batting against Sandy Koufax in the last of the third inning, Dodger catcher Johnny Roseboro's return throws to the mound flew too close to his head and one grazed his ear. Words were exchanged, and Roseboro, throwing off his catcher's helmet and mask, rose to continue the argument. Marichal responded by repeatedly hitting Roseboro's unprotected head with his bat.^[15] The benches cleared into a 14-minute brawl, while Giants captain Willie Mays escorted the bleeding Roseboro (who would require 14 stitches) back to the clubhouse.

Those were tough years for us
in the leagues and you know
what I am talking about. Jackie
and Roy would talk about it all
the time and of course, both
felt the incredible weight of it.
Roy took a different approach.
Juan was more like Jackie.

Thank Heaven it is not like that
anymore. Thank Heaven.

Regards,

Amazing how a thread can morph.

Amazing how a thread can morph.

Happens like this all the time, Asaph. It's kind
of a cool way to get out of a subject, debate or
an argument that's going nowhere.

Yeah Don.

My mom and dad were both big N Y Giants fans when they were playing in New York and they saw Willie Mays break in as a rookie.

So I originally grew up a Giants fan, even when they moved to the West Coast. My dad took me to my first game at the Polo Grounds when the New York Mets came into existence around 1962. They were playing the San Francisco Giants with Mays, Marichal, McCovey, Jim Ray Hart and all the Alou brothers. Willie Mays came to the plate and proceeded to hit the ball OVER THE ROOF of the Polo Grounds and out into the street. I have never seen a ball hit like that to this day.

I still feel that Willie was the greatest all-around player to ever play the game . Say Hey !


But after we moved to the Bronx, I became a Yankee fan, and still am. LOL



Peace,

TED

LOL. Mr. Cobham, are you just going to sneak in and out of here like that?

Actually, I would be interested to know who Billy sees as "great" drummers among new people on the scene, or in essence, what "great" means to him, seeing he is one of the legends of the instrument.

Asaph wrote:
Perhaps greatness is determined by the blindfold test. I know Baker when I hear him. I know Billy when I hear him. I know Elvin when I hear him, and Art. If greatness is determined by personal style that is recognizable, the list of great drummers shrinks dramatically.

This is truth!