Back to Remo

Well, I will be returning to using Remo drum heads for my snare and toms. The Evans just don't last long enough for me.
If you're gonna change your heads every 10 days or so then they'd be cool, but I'd have to take a second mortgage on my
house to do that. Heck, I change my heads once, MAYBE twice a year. The Evans go flat a lot sooner than I need them to
while the Remos last noticeably longer while keeping the attack and sustain. Remos take much longer to seat but once you
have them dialed in you don't have to worry about them for a good while.

I will however continue to use the Evans bass drum heads as there is no better bass drum heads than the Emad and Gmad
bass drum systems in my opinion.

Evans did me good but at this time they simply don't meet my time line requirements.

D.

I agree with you on that Don,

Especially for snare drums. I've been using the coated ambassadors on my Craviotto, and I beat the heck out that thing and it just keeps going.. Plus I like what happens with the coating after playing it a while- it kinda molds into the head.

I use Bear Percussion on my snare drum batter head.
Virtually indestrucable.
It's got that phat, phunky sound that I'm looking for.

Yeah, D.L.,

I also like the rice paper thin Diplomat resonant head for the snare as I really like my drums to have an open sound. I bought a Really nice Mapex 7 X 14 snare from Billy some years back. Thick maple shell with diecast hoops and a really nicely built snare strainer assembly. The snare is quite heavy and with the thick shell and the diecast hoops I really struggled to keep the drum from choking off. I had given up and put it away for awhile. Just the other day I put an Ambassador coated on the top and a clear Diplomat on the bottom. The snare sounds wonderful and is now back in my musical arsenal. better yet, I'm using absolutely zero dampening on it, NOTHING! The Remo tom heads sing and I know that they will last.

I gotta have my Evans Emads and Gmads for the bass drums though.

I just changed my heads last week, Evans G2's on the toms, and my favorite, a Aquarian Super 2 for the snare, Remo's or Evans, does not last as long as a Aquarian coated head, and I mean nowhere near as long. And they sound great, and as I said in the past, it takes a long time for the coating to wear off of Aquarian snare heads. And I was surprised at the list of people who use them, cats like Jack DeJohnette . I just saw this the other day.


John
Abraham
Chris Adler Chris
Adler
Seven Antonopoulos Seven
Antonopoulos
Carmine Appice Carmine
Appice
Vinny Appice Vinny
Appice
Marc Atkinson Marc
Atkinson
Karma Auger Karma
Auger
Kofi Baker Kofi
Baker
Tommy Bales Tommy
Bales
Frankie Banali Frankie
Banali
Brian Blade Brian
Blade
JD Blair JD
Blair
Jim Bogios Jim
Bogios
D.J. Bonebrake D.J.
Bonebrake
Jamie Borden Jamie
Borden
Bobby Borg Bobby
Borg
Steve Bowman Steve
Bowman
Todd Bragg Todd
Bragg
Tracy Broussard Tracy
Broussard
Mick Brown Mick
Brown
Peter Buck Peter
Buck
Chad Butler Chad
Butler
Mugs Cain Mugs
Cain
Ryan Carman Ryan
Carman
Lemar Carter Lemar
Carter
Zoltan Chaney Zoltan
Chaney
Barry Chenault Barry
Chenault
Gene Chrisman Gene
Chrisman
Mark Clark Mark
Clark
Tommy Clufetos Tommy
Clufetos
Charles Collins Charles
Collins
Dale Crover Dale
Crover
Larry Darrell Larry
Darrell
Jimmy D’Anda Jimmy
D’Anda
Nick D’Virgilio Nick
D’Virgilio
Johnny Dee Johnny
Dee
Jack DeJohnette Jack
DeJohnette
Joe DeRose Joe
DeRose
Audie Desbrow Audie
Desbrow
Christian Dionne Christian
Dionne
Steve DiStanislao Steve
DiStanislao
Jay Dittamo Jay
Dittamo
Michael Duffy Michael
Duffy
Bart Elliott Bart
Elliott
Billy English Billy
English
Chuck Fanslau Chuck
Fanslau
Chuck Fields Chuck
Fields
Marcus Finnie Marcus
Finnie
Ginger Fish Ginger
Fish
Chris Chris "Swiss Chris"
Flueck
Jimmy Ford Jimmy
Ford
Brett Frederickson Brett
Frederickson
Kirk Frederickson Kirk
Frederickson
Daniel Glass Daniel
Glass
Ben Graves Ben
Graves
Trey Gray Trey
Gray
Mario Grillo Mario
Grillo
Erik Hargrove Erik
Hargrove
John Herrera John
Herrera
Jhenese Hester Jhenese
Hester
Graham Hopkins Graham
Hopkins
Andy Hull Andy
Hull
John Humphrey John
Humphrey
Chris Jago Chris
Jago
JJ Johnson JJ
Johnson
Mike Johnston Mike
Johnston
Mike Justian Mike
Justian
Jimmy Keegan Jimmy
Keegan
Derek Kerswill Derek
Kerswill
Anthony King Anthony
King
James Kottak James
Kottak
Joe Labarbera Joe
Labarbera
Randy Lane Randy
Lane
Pat Leon Pat
Leon
Taurus Lovely Taurus
Lovely
Mike Luce Mike
Luce
Ted Mackenzie Ted
Mackenzie
Pete Magadini Pete
Magadini
Pat Magrath Pat
Magrath
Adam Marcello Adam
Marcello
Sherrie Maricle Sherrie
Maricle
Jon Mattox Jon
Mattox
Dave Mcafee Dave
Mcafee
Kevan Mckenzie Kevan
Mckenzie
Jay Michaelis Jay
Michaelis
Mike Miley Mike
Miley
Eric Moore Eric
Moore
Richie Morales Richie
Morales
Steve Moretti Steve
Moretti
Joe Morris Joe
Morris
Kentric Morris Kentric
Morris
Tim Mulligan Tim
Mulligan
Steve Nieves Steve
Nieves
Sean O'Shea Sean
O'Shea
Scott Pellegrom Scott
Pellegrom
Clarence Penn Clarence
Penn
Robert Perkins Robert
Perkins
Felix Pollard Felix
Pollard
Justin Pollard Justin
Pollard
Joe Porcaro Joe
Porcaro
Gregg Potter Gregg
Potter
Bill Ray Bill
Ray
Go-Go Ray Go-Go
Ray
Damion Reid Damion
Reid
Steve Riley Steve
Riley
Dante Roberson Dante
Roberson
Brooks Robinson Brooks
Robinson
Bart Robley Bart
Robley
Bobby Rock Bobby
Rock
Rikki Rockett Rikki
Rockett
Tito Rodriguez Jr. Tito
Rodriguez Jr.
Bob Ruggiero Bob
Ruggiero
Rolo Sandoval Rolo
Sandoval
David Sanger David
Sanger
Scott Schroedl Scott
Schroedl
Nathaniel Scott Nathaniel
Scott
Eric Scribner Eric
Scribner
Ed Shaughnessy Ed
Shaughnessy
James Sloan James
Sloan
Jason Smith Jason
Smith
Travis Smith Travis
Smith
John Snider John
Snider
Kenny Soule Kenny
Soule
Jeremy Stacey Jeremy
Stacey
Rick Steel Rick
Steel
Ryland Steen Ryland
Steen
Tyler Stewart Tyler
Stewart
Evan Stone Evan
Stone
Keio Stroud Keio
Stroud
Roger Taylor Roger
Taylor
Billy Thomas Billy
Thomas
Ken Tondre Ken
Tondre
Chuck Treece Chuck
Treece
Micheal Tucker Micheal
Tucker
Tom Van Schaik Tom
Van Schaik
James Varnado James
Varnado
John Vidacovich John
Vidacovich
Joey Waronker Joey
Waronker
Alicia Warrington Alicia
Warrington
Derico Watson Derico
Watson
Dusty Watson Dusty
Watson
Buddy Williams Buddy
Williams
Al Wilson Al
Wilson
John Xepoleas John
Xepoleas
Keith
Zebroski
Anthony Zimmitti Anthony
Zimmitti

Yes, Spanky but as always to gain is to lose.... At least for me, anyway... Aquarian heads lasts a long time but they also choke off the the sound way too much for my taste. I'm one that believes that if you're going to invest in an expensive set of drums and then put heads on them that kills the sound potential that a good set of shells can produce, then that totally defeats the purpose.

So what I would gain in longevity with these heads, I'd lose in the quality of sound I'm looking for. And let me make this clear. Evans heads last a LONG time when it comes to their structural integrity. It's the sound production over a short period of time where they fall short. That aspect of the heads simply doesn't hold up like I need them to.

On the other hand, If you like what you get from the Aquarians, then I guess it's a win, win situation in your case. I used Aquarian bass drum heads ( which I still think are quite good, btw) until I found out about the Evans E and Gmads.
I tried using an Aquarian on one of my snare drums and it sounded like I was playing a cardboard box.

Apparently there's a whole slew of players that got these heads to work including yourself and that's a good thing.

For me, the tom and snare heads just don't give me the sound I'm looking for, and their longevity doesn't make up for that.

Thanks Don, I don't know if I would use the Aqurians on my toms though, I just like them on my snare.

Spanky,

The important thing is it works for you... That makes it all good, man.

I have been using Evans heads for a few months now and so far they are holding up fine. However, I use hydraulics for extra durability and little overtone. Because that's what I like ! As Don says, whatever is good for you !!

peace, TED

I recently went back to Remo batter heads on toms and snares because I like those Control Sound (black dot) heads. The bottom heads and both bass drum heads are all Evans though. Peace and goodwill.

Funny that you should pull this up again, Drumolator, I'm going back to Evans. The Remo heads just take too long to seat and it's driving me crazy, quite frankly. Every time I set up I find the heads extremely loose and far off the tuning point they should be. I know that eventually they will seat but it's takes way too long, which is the reason I switched from Remo to begin with. Though the Evans heads don't last as long, I spend FAR less time worrying about the tuning.... Back to Evans.

And on another note, for the life of me, I can't hear to much of a difference using the Hazy 300's resonant heads. Can any of you ? Now they are supposed to be the best, and I am a Evans and Aquarian man, and I use the Hazy 300's, but I can't tell the Hazy's from the Remo resonant heads.

I'm not at all familiar with them, Spank... I use Generas, G1's and G2's. My question is does Evans make a resonant head that's as thin as the Remo diplomat for the bottom of the snare? The thing is nearly rice paper thin and I really like the openess it gives me. Not sure if Evans makes a resonant head that thin.

I'll tell you another head I'm kinda gettin into....... Attack. They sound pretty good. I actually have a set of their pin stripes on my Mapex kit and I'm very happy with them.

hi guys!
I used in the past (1988) remo drums head, then in 1994 i moved to evans and still love them...and don't want to try anything else!Peace,stef

That's fine, Stephane... Just remember that closing yourself off like that also closes you off from discovering wonderful possibilities.

I'm all about aquarians! this is the dawning of the age of aquarians!
just put one on my snare and i like it. always for the kick. i will test some on my toms soon. They're about due.

kenny wrote:I'm all about aquarians! this is the dawning of the age of aquarians!
just put one on my snare and i like it. always for the kick. i will test some on my toms soon. They're about due.

I used to use Aquarians on my kick. They're not bad by any means. A bit too sound confining for me, though, especially the the heads for the snare and toms. For me it's about the drum as a whole, the shell, the hoops, mounting system and the heads. investing in a set of nice shells and then killing their projection potential by putting on resonant killing heads totally defeats the purpose for me.

Spanky listed users;
John
Abraham
Chris Adler Chris
Adler
Seven Antonopoulos Seven
Antonopoulos
Carmine Appice Carmine
Appice
Vinny Appice Vinny
Appice
Marc Atkinson Marc
Atkinson
Karma Auger Karma
Auger
Kofi Baker Kofi
Baker
Tommy Bales Tommy
Bales
Frankie Banali Frankie
Banali
Brian Blade Brian
Blade
JD Blair JD
Blair
Jim Bogios Jim
Bogios
D.J. Bonebrake D.J.
Bonebrake
Jamie Borden Jamie
Borden
Bobby Borg Bobby
Borg
Steve Bowman Steve
Bowman
Todd Bragg Todd
Bragg
Tracy Broussard Tracy
Broussard
Mick Brown Mick
Brown
Peter Buck Peter
Buck
Chad Butler Chad
Butler
Mugs Cain Mugs
Cain
Ryan Carman Ryan
Carman
Lemar Carter Lemar
Carter
Zoltan Chaney Zoltan
Chaney
Barry Chenault Barry
Chenault
Gene Chrisman Gene
Chrisman
Mark Clark Mark
Clark
Tommy Clufetos Tommy
Clufetos
Charles Collins Charles
Collins
Dale Crover Dale
Crover
Larry Darrell Larry
Darrell
Jimmy D’Anda Jimmy
D’Anda
Nick D’Virgilio Nick
D’Virgilio
Johnny Dee Johnny
Dee
Jack DeJohnette Jack
DeJohnette
Joe DeRose Joe
DeRose
Audie Desbrow Audie
Desbrow
Christian Dionne Christian
Dionne
Steve DiStanislao Steve
DiStanislao
Jay Dittamo Jay
Dittamo
Michael Duffy Michael
Duffy
Bart Elliott Bart
Elliott
Billy English Billy
English
Chuck Fanslau Chuck
Fanslau
Chuck Fields Chuck
Fields
Marcus Finnie Marcus
Finnie
Ginger Fish Ginger
Fish
Chris Chris "Swiss Chris"
Flueck
Jimmy Ford Jimmy
Ford
Brett Frederickson Brett
Frederickson
Kirk Frederickson Kirk
Frederickson
Daniel Glass Daniel
Glass
Ben Graves Ben
Graves
Trey Gray Trey
Gray
Mario Grillo Mario
Grillo
Erik Hargrove Erik
Hargrove
John Herrera John
Herrera
Jhenese Hester Jhenese
Hester
Graham Hopkins Graham
Hopkins
Andy Hull Andy
Hull
John Humphrey John
Humphrey
Chris Jago Chris
Jago
JJ Johnson JJ
Johnson
Mike Johnston Mike
Johnston
Mike Justian Mike
Justian
Jimmy Keegan Jimmy
Keegan
Derek Kerswill Derek
Kerswill
Anthony King Anthony
King
James Kottak James
Kottak
Joe Labarbera Joe
Labarbera
Randy Lane Randy
Lane
Pat Leon Pat
Leon
Taurus Lovely Taurus
Lovely
Mike Luce Mike
Luce
Ted Mackenzie Ted
Mackenzie
Pete Magadini Pete
Magadini
Pat Magrath Pat
Magrath
Adam Marcello Adam
Marcello
Sherrie Maricle Sherrie
Maricle
Jon Mattox Jon
Mattox
Dave Mcafee Dave
Mcafee
Kevan Mckenzie Kevan
Mckenzie
Jay Michaelis Jay
Michaelis
Mike Miley Mike
Miley
Eric Moore Eric
Moore
Richie Morales Richie
Morales
Steve Moretti Steve
Moretti
Joe Morris Joe
Morris
Kentric Morris Kentric
Morris
Tim Mulligan Tim
Mulligan
Steve Nieves Steve
Nieves
Sean O'Shea Sean
O'Shea
Scott Pellegrom Scott
Pellegrom
Clarence Penn Clarence
Penn
Robert Perkins Robert
Perkins
Felix Pollard Felix
Pollard
Justin Pollard Justin
Pollard
Joe Porcaro Joe
Porcaro
Gregg Potter Gregg
Potter
Bill Ray Bill
Ray
Go-Go Ray Go-Go
Ray
Damion Reid Damion
Reid
Steve Riley Steve
Riley
Dante Roberson Dante
Roberson
Brooks Robinson Brooks
Robinson
Bart Robley Bart
Robley
Bobby Rock Bobby
Rock
Rikki Rockett Rikki
Rockett
Tito Rodriguez Jr. Tito
Rodriguez Jr.
Bob Ruggiero Bob
Ruggiero
Rolo Sandoval Rolo
Sandoval
David Sanger David
Sanger
Scott Schroedl Scott
Schroedl
Nathaniel Scott Nathaniel
Scott
Eric Scribner Eric
Scribner
Ed Shaughnessy Ed
Shaughnessy
James Sloan James
Sloan
Jason Smith Jason
Smith
Travis Smith Travis
Smith
John Snider John
Snider
Kenny Soule Kenny
Soule
Jeremy Stacey Jeremy
Stacey
Rick Steel Rick
Steel
Ryland Steen Ryland
Steen
Tyler Stewart Tyler
Stewart
Evan Stone Evan
Stone
Keio Stroud Keio
Stroud
Roger Taylor Roger
Taylor
Billy Thomas Billy
Thomas
Ken Tondre Ken
Tondre
Chuck Treece Chuck
Treece
Micheal Tucker Micheal
Tucker
Tom Van Schaik Tom
Van Schaik
James Varnado James
Varnado
John Vidacovich John
Vidacovich
Joey Waronker Joey
Waronker
Alicia Warrington Alicia
Warrington
Derico Watson Derico
Watson
Dusty Watson Dusty
Watson
Buddy Williams Buddy
Williams
Al Wilson Al
Wilson
John Xepoleas John
Xepoleas
Keith
Zebroski
Anthony Zimmitti Anthony
Zimmitti

It's like Ramen Noodles - Well over 50 million people eat it. It must mean something.

I'm still using Evans on my toms but do notice the sound quality leaving at hardly no use. I gig maybe 5 days live out of a month's time. I love'em new though. I too might reconcile back to Remo town.

Rac

D, hope you notice this here reply of mine. I ment to further the discussion with you on Facebook, but thought it may have been inappropriate at the time.

So if you don't mind, here's furthering my questioning regarding one of your videos on your Facebook page;
And BTW, I loved your performance and the sound was pretty good considering the source.

With no further a due here it is for what's it worth to you...
Question 1:
When you performed live, in what looked liked a forest area, were you using Remo heads at the time or Evans?

Question 2:
Was your drums miked?

Reason is is that I'm performing live outdoors except it will be in front of a building. I'm also using a KickPort on my 18" BD so it will be interesting. It's a benefit for disadvantage children, so we won't be paid. I thought it would be a good time to test-drive the KickPort there.

If I can get somebody to video-tape the gig, that would be beneficial for me and possibly others here regarding the KickPort on a 18 BD. Hope that can happen.

Thank you,

Rac

Remo's Vintage A snare head is a great one:
http://www.remo.com/portal/products/3/8/50/702/co_vintage_a.html

Not sure about the tom heads in Vintage A, but the snare head is just what I wanted . . . much longer lasting than the Ambassador and sounds/plays better, too.

Remo's Vintage A snare head is a great one

rac

Racman wrote:D, hope you notice this here reply of mine. I ment to further the discussion with you on Facebook, but thought it may have been inappropriate at the time.

So if you don't mind, here's furthering my questioning regarding one of your videos on your Facebook page;
And BTW, I loved your performance and the sound was pretty good considering the source.

With no further a due here it is for what's it worth to you...
Question 1:
When you performed live, in what looked liked a forest area, were you using Remo heads at the time or Evans?

Question 2:
Was your drums miked?

Reason is is that I'm performing live outdoors except it will be in front of a building. I'm also using a KickPort on my 18" BD so it will be interesting. It's a benefit for disadvantage children, so we won't be paid. I thought it would be a good time to test-drive the KickPort there.

If I can get somebody to video-tape the gig, that would be beneficial for me and possibly others here regarding the KickPort on a 18 BD. Hope that can happen.

Thank you,

Rac

Hi, Rac,

Just so you know I did answer your questions on your Facebook wall.

Here's what I said:

Rac,

That show was done at Santa Cruz State University last year. Besides my vocal mic, I had a kick mic and one overhead that you should be able to see in the video. The set is a Mapex. I try to tune in such a way that the dimensions and make up of each drum dictates. I never tune to what I like to hear pitch wise but where the drum sounds at it's best. For me, that's usually where it resonates the most.

In addition, the heads are Evans.

I apologise on that one D. I didn't check back on Facebook to see your reply.

My bad,

rac

Yeah Woofus, the Vintage tom heads sounds pretty appealing on their site. Curious what it may sound on my birtch Tamas.

Thank you,

rac

Remos are great heads once you get past the seating issue. Evans are great heads while they last. They don't last as long as the Remos but I spend nowhere near the time I spend with the Evans that I spend on the Remos working to keep them tuned before they finally settle in.

Remos are too much work....